A briefe answere of Thomas Harding Doctor of Diuinitie touching certaine vntruthes with which Maister Iohn Iuell charged him in his late sermon at Paules Crosse the VIII of Iuly, anno 1565.
and hath since that time eftsones doubled his euill demeanour towardes me, and his iniurie towardes the truth, by his other late sermon of the.8. of Iuly last:
and hath since that time eftsoon doubled his evil demeanour towards me, and his injury towards the truth, by his other late sermon of the.8. of Iuly last:
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I trust I shall seme to do neither besydes the dutie of an honest man, if I cleare my selfe of slaūder obiected, neither besydes that apperteineth to my calling,
I trust I shall seem to do neither besides the duty of an honest man, if I clear my self of slander objected, neither besides that appertaineth to my calling,
I confesse in very dede, it shold better become my person to bestowe a iust treatise vpō these pointes, thē such short pamflets, which I wold willingly do after the measure of my simple lerning,
I confess in very deed, it should better become my person to bestow a just treatise upon these points, them such short pamflets, which I would willingly do After the measure of my simple learning,
That such thinges were there spokē, I am not without cause persuaded: seing that the informations by sundry persons aparte made, without diuersitie agree in one.
That such things were there spoken, I am not without cause persuaded: sing that the informations by sundry Persons apart made, without diversity agree in one.
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of Maie, there was no great thing said worthy to be answered, besydes his disproufe of certaine auncient fathers in the first article of my boke alleaged.
of May, there was no great thing said worthy to be answered, besides his Disproof of certain ancient Father's in the First article of my book alleged.
How truly this was said, let my boke be triall, where vpon occasion of S. Paules receiuing of one only kynde after S. Chrysostomes mynde, thou shalt fynde Reader, these wordes, in the first print, fol, 41. a. in the later print, fol. 61. a.
How truly this was said, let my book be trial, where upon occasion of S. Paul's receiving of one only kind After S. Chrysostomes mind, thou shalt find Reader, these words, in the First print, fol, 41. a. in the later print, fol. 61. a.
It is not to be marueiled at, albeit S. Paul deliuered to the Corinthians the institution of our Lordes supper vnder both kyndes, that yet vpon occasion geuen,
It is not to be marveled At, albeit S. Paul Delivered to the Corinthians the Institution of our lords supper under both Kinds, that yet upon occasion given,
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and when condition of time so required, he ministred the communion vnder one kynde, sith that without doubt he tooke that holy mysterie vnder one kynde for the whole Sacrament,
and when condition of time so required, he ministered the communion under one kind, sith that without doubt he took that holy mystery under one kind for the Whole Sacrament,
and how absurd had it ben by denying so knowen a trouth, to haue geuen such aduantage to the aduersarie? Now that S. Paul in that sentence speaketh nothing of the cuppe, I will be tried by the most auncient and truest copies both Greke and Latine,
and how absurd had it been by denying so known a troth, to have given such advantage to the adversary? Now that S. Paul in that sentence speaks nothing of the cup, I will be tried by the most ancient and Truest copies both Greek and Latin,
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Item where I saye in my boke, that the blessed sacrament is not called communion, because many, or as M. Iuell teacheth, the whole congregation communicateth together in one place,
Item where I say in my book, that the blessed sacrament is not called communion, Because many, or as M. Jewel Teaches, the Whole congregation Communicateth together in one place,
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and many that be diuerse be vnited together, and made one mysticall body of Christ, which is the church, of which body by vertue and effect of this holy sacrament all the faithfuls be members one of another, and Christ is the head:
and many that be diverse be united together, and made one mystical body of christ, which is the Church, of which body by virtue and Effect of this holy sacrament all the faithfuls be members one of Another, and christ is the head:
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for profe where of there I alleage Dionys. Areopagita: Against this he pretended to haue the auctoritie of Pachymeres, of Haimo, of Hugo Cardinalis, and Gerardus Lorichius.
for proof where of there I allege Dionys Areopagite: Against this he pretended to have the Authority of Pachymeres, of Haimo, of Hugo Cardinalis, and Gerardus Lorichius.
as he who in his replyes to M. D. Cole disgraceth men of greater lerning then this Hugo was of, with the contemtible name of the blacke Gard. Yet now he thinketh good to make his most aduantage of them,
as he who in his replies to M. D. Cole disgraceth men of greater learning then this Hugo was of, with the contemptible name of the black Gard. Yet now he Thinketh good to make his most advantage of them,
and of who so euer come to hand, albeit their wordes that make for his purpose against the doctrine of Saint Dionysius touching this point, are not yet brought forth.
and of who so ever come to hand, albeit their words that make for his purpose against the Doctrine of Saint Dionysius touching this point, Are not yet brought forth.
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But their bare names without any sentēce alleaged, proue no more the contrary of that I affirme, thē potecaries empty painted boxes yelde holesome medicines for the sicke.
But their bore names without any sentence alleged, prove no more the contrary of that I affirm, them Apotecaries empty painted boxes yield wholesome medicines for the sick.
and belyed him, and therefore was not to be trusted. &c. Vnderstand Reader for my discharge, how good cause I had so to wryte, and how litle cause M. Iuell had so to saye.
and belied him, and Therefore was not to be trusted. etc. Understand Reader for my discharge, how good cause I had so to write, and how little cause M. Jewel had so to say.
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For S. Chrysostome writing vpon the seuenth chapter of S. Matthew, hom. 17. operis imperfecti, which worke hath ben alleaged hitherto both of catholikes and ghospellers of all sortes vnder the name of Chrysostome,
For S. Chrysostom writing upon the Seventh chapter of S. Matthew, hom. 17. operis imperfecti, which work hath been alleged hitherto both of Catholics and Evangelists of all sorts under the name of Chrysostom,
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though it hath ben in some places corrupted by Origenistes & other heretikes for maintenance of their heresies, sheweth himselffe in playne wordes to be of that opinion.
though it hath been in Some places corrupted by Origenists & other Heretics for maintenance of their heresies, shows himselffe in plain words to be of that opinion.
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Neither ought the errours of the Grekes by false meanes cōueyed in to that worke, diminish the creditie of the whole, specially of that which to this day no man euer found fault with al. Because the place is notable,
Neither ought the errors of the Greeks by false means conveyed in to that work, diminish the creditie of the Whole, specially of that which to this day no man ever found fault with all Because the place is notable,
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and that which is sanctified, an other. For sanctifiication is that, which sanctifieth an other: but that which is sanctified, can not sanctifie an other, though it selfe be holy.
and that which is sanctified, an other. For sanctifiication is that, which Sanctifieth an other: but that which is sanctified, can not sanctify an other, though it self be holy.
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but also sanctification, which sanctifieth and maketh holy the receiuer, which is this blessed Sacrament that we speake of, which M. Iuell and the rest of his felowes make to be but a signe,
but also sanctification, which Sanctifieth and makes holy the receiver, which is this blessed Sacrament that we speak of, which M. Jewel and the rest of his Fellows make to be but a Signen,
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what remaineth, but that of force M. Iuell must confesse, that it is none other, but the most precious body of our Sauiour Christ in that holy Sacramēt, who as S. Paul saith, is our righteousnes, sanctification,
what remains, but that of force M. Jewel must confess, that it is none other, but the most precious body of our Saviour christ in that holy Sacrament, who as S. Paul Says, is our righteousness, sanctification,
or any the best lerned of his syde is able to proue, that the church Seruice was within the first six hundred yeres in any barbarous or vulgar tonge:
or any the best learned of his side is able to prove, that the Church Service was within the First six hundred Years in any barbarous or Vulgar tongue:
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And therefore he alleaged out of my boke certaine wordes, where I make as it were an antithesis betwene the Nouices in faith of S. Paules time, and the church of our time, vttering these wordes:
And Therefore he alleged out of my book certain words, where I make as it were an antithesis between the novices in faith of S. Paul's time, and the Church of our time, uttering these words:
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I speake of the church Seruice, and M. Iuell alleaged against me my wordes mencioning the prayer of the first lerners of the faith, which commonly was pronounced in an vnknowen tonge through the working of the holy Ghost miraculously to litle profite of the hearers.
I speak of the Church Service, and M. Jewel alleged against me my words mentioning the prayer of the First learners of the faith, which commonly was pronounced in an unknown tongue through the working of the holy Ghost miraculously to little profit of the hearers.
Now betwen such maner of prayer in the begynning, and the publike Seruice which afterward in continuance of time the church had in due and setled order, is great difference.
Now between such manner of prayer in the beginning, and the public Service which afterwards in Continuance of time the Church had in due and settled order, is great difference.
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If he had either charitie, or honestie, or iudgement, hauing read the third article of my booke, he might well haue vnderstanded, that I meane by church Seruice a farre other thing,
If he had either charity, or honesty, or judgement, having read the third article of my book, he might well have understanded, that I mean by Church Service a Far other thing,
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For proufe that certaine Nations had the church Seruice in vulgar and barbarous tonges, he alleaged S. Thomas of Aquine and Eckius, whom otherwheres he scoffeth at as men of small auctoritie, to such streightes for this point is he dryuē.
For proof that certain nations had the Church Service in Vulgar and barbarous tongues, he alleged S. Thomas of Aquinas and Eckius, whom otherwheres he scoffeth At as men of small Authority, to such straights for this point is he driven.
And yet that which they saye is farre from prouing his assertion. For as concerning that which he brought out of Clemens Alexandrinus, Origen, S. Chrysostome, Hierome,
And yet that which they say is Far from proving his assertion. For as Concerning that which he brought out of Clemens Alexandrian, Origen, S. Chrysostom, Jerome,
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Neither more maketh the decree of Iustiniā for proufe that the seruice was in any other thē the Greke and Latine tong in the East and West church, which to that ende he alleaged:
Neither more makes the Decree of Iustiniā for proof that the service was in any other them the Greek and Latin tonge in the East and West Church, which to that end he alleged:
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Item where in the fourth Article of my boke, I alleage a testimonie out of Saint Augustine lib. 1. contra. 2. epistolas Pelagianorum ad Bonifacium, cap.
Item where in the fourth Article of my book, I allege a testimony out of Saint Augustine lib. 1. contra. 2. epistolas Pelagians ad Boniface, cap.
1. in which that holy and lerned Bishop acknowlegeth the Bishop of Rome his superioritie, Englishing his wordes so smoothly as the roughnes of the Latine phrase, which in sundry bokes I founde vniforme permitted, and there do note in the margent this part of the sentence in Latine,
1. in which that holy and learned Bishop acknowledgeth the Bishop of Rome his superiority, Englishing his words so smoothly as the roughness of the Latin phrase, which in sundry books I found uniform permitted, and there do note in the margin this part of the sentence in Latin,
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Hereat M. Iuell toke occasion to carpe me, and to saye his pleasure of me, that I had mangled S. Augustines place, left out the verbe est, placed a nominatiue case without a verbe, put communis without a substantiue, writtē speculae for specula, had made S. Augustine to speake false Latin,
Hereat M. Jewel took occasion to carp me, and to say his pleasure of me, that I had mangled S. Augustine's place, left out the verb est, placed a nominative case without a verb, put Communis without a substantive, written speculae for specula, had made S. Augustine to speak false Latin,
and of Lions print in octauo, and he shall fynde speculae, not specula. And in tourning the place into English, not being so hardy as to alter any worde of the boke, wherein I should geue the aduersarye occasion to charge me with the crime of a falsarie:
and of Lions print in octauo, and he shall find speculae, not specula. And in turning the place into English, not being so hardy as to altar any word of the book, wherein I should give the adversary occasion to charge me with the crime of a falsary:
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But what fault so euer he found with my grammer, certaine it is as touching diuinitie, that Saint Augustine for all that in the forsaid place to Bonifacius, acknowlegeth the Bishop of Rome his superioritie ouer and aboue all other Bishops.
But what fault so ever he found with my grammar, certain it is as touching divinity, that Saint Augustine for all that in the foresaid place to Boniface, acknowledgeth the Bishop of Rome his superiority over and above all other Bishops.
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By this I perceiue, whereas M. Iuell to impaire my credite in the opinion of the vnlerned people, charged me with incongrue speach in the Latine tong, he would if he could,
By this I perceive, whereas M. Jewel to impair my credit in the opinion of the unlearned people, charged me with incongrue speech in the Latin tonge, he would if he could,
If these be the greatest faultes he could fynde in my boke, there is no great cause why his huge booke made against it, that now is in printing, shold be so much desyred,
If these be the greatest Faults he could find in my book, there is no great cause why his huge book made against it, that now is in printing, should be so much desired,
Now to ende Reader, if thou be setled in the catholike faith, there staye thee, what so euer thou heare and read to the contrary, and thanke God of it.
Now to end Reader, if thou be settled in the catholic faith, there stay thee, what so ever thou hear and read to the contrary, and thank God of it.
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be well assured, that the faith of the catholike church of these nyne hundred yeres past be sufficiently disproued and confuted, which in dede can not be Christes promise standing, and his prayer made to his father for the church performed:
be well assured, that the faith of the catholic Church of these nyne hundred Years passed be sufficiently disproved and confuted, which in deed can not be Christ's promise standing, and his prayer made to his father for the Church performed:
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before thou aduēter theverlasting state of thy soule by thy priuate choise of a newe founde faith in these later perilous times towardes the cōming of Antichrist first preached. Antuerpiae. 1565. 24. Iulij. Tho. Harding.
before thou adventer theverlasting state of thy soul by thy private choice of a new found faith in these later perilous times towards the coming of Antichrist First preached. Antuerpiae. 1565. 24. July. Tho. Harding.
