Confidence questioned: or, A brief examination of some doctrines delivered by M. Thomas Willes of Bottolphs Billings-Gate, in a sermon preached by him at Margrets New-Fish-Street, the 7th of Decemb. 1657. Also, some questions touching his pretended call and authority to preach the Gospel. By Jeremiah Ives.
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and if you would have me be so charitable as to think you did not project such a thing, I pray then do not refuse to come to the Light that your deeds may be made manifest:
and if you would have me be so charitable as to think you did not project such a thing, I pray then do not refuse to come to the Light that your Deeds may be made manifest:
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I pray you therefore so far to honour that which you have publickly asserted, (if it be Truth) as to answer these Questions that relate to those things which you then delivered.
I pray you Therefore so Far to honour that which you have publicly asserted, (if it be Truth) as to answer these Questions that relate to those things which you then Delivered.
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Whether any thing can be charged as sin upon any, but what is against a Divine Law? since the Apostle saith, Rom. 4.5. Where there is no Law, there is no transgression. 1 John 3.4. Sin is the transgression of a Law.
Whither any thing can be charged as since upon any, but what is against a Divine Law? since the Apostle Says, Rom. 4.5. Where there is no Law, there is no Transgression. 1 John 3.4. since is the Transgression of a Law.
2. Whether by any Law of God it is a sin for men that are gifted for the Ministry, to preach the truth of Christ to the Edification of their Brethren,
2. Whither by any Law of God it is a since for men that Are gifted for the Ministry, to preach the truth of christ to the Edification of their Brothers,
8. Whether there is any Law of God broken when I hear the truth of Christ preached by any that are not ordained? if so, shew me where that Law is to be found.
8. Whither there is any Law of God broken when I hear the truth of christ preached by any that Are not ordained? if so, show me where that Law is to be found.
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and whether he could be an Officer of the Church at that time, seeing he knew ONELY the baptisme of John, or was not acquainted with the baptisme of the Spirit? therefore pray shew us that he was at this time an Officer,
and whither he could be an Officer of the Church At that time, seeing he knew ONLY the Baptism of John, or was not acquainted with the Baptism of the Spirit? Therefore pray show us that he was At this time an Officer,
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that THEY that feared the Lord SPAKE OFTEN one to another, &c. And Heb. 10 25. It is required that we should not forsake the assembling of our selves together,
that THEY that feared the Lord SPOKE OFTEN one to Another, etc. And Hebrew 10 25. It is required that we should not forsake the assembling of our selves together,
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but exhort one another dayly, &c. whether by the light of these Texts it doth not appear, 1. That Gods people ought to meet often together. 2. That they may and ought to exhort one another, being thus assembled. 3. Whether by one another we are not to understand any one that hath a word or gift of Exhortation,
but exhort one Another daily, etc. whither by the Light of these Texts it does not appear, 1. That God's people ought to meet often together. 2. That they may and ought to exhort one Another, being thus assembled. 3. Whither by one Another we Are not to understand any one that hath a word or gift of Exhortation,
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Whether by the light of these Scriptures, your darkness is not discoverd, who told the people how sinful and dangerous it was to hear such as Mr. Brooks; when your self hath heard him once and again? And whether all the excuses that you have for such a practice, will not be arguments to justifie others,
Whither by the Light of these Scriptures, your darkness is not discovered, who told the people how sinful and dangerous it was to hear such as Mr. Brooks; when your self hath herd him once and again? And whither all the excuses that you have for such a practice, will not be Arguments to justify Others,
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pray tell me, (let your pretence in hearing be what it will) how can you do evil that good may come? And whether, by the same pretence that you can make to hear Mr. Brooks, (if to hear him be sinful, which is not yet proved) any man may not hear in an Idols Temple,
pray tell me, (let your pretence in hearing be what it will) how can you do evil that good may come? And whither, by the same pretence that you can make to hear Mr. Brooks, (if to hear him be sinful, which is not yet proved) any man may not hear in an Idols Temple,
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but rather that ye may PROPHESIE, &c. compare this Verse with the 24. but if ALL prophesie, and there come in one that believeth not, &c. and V. 31 Ye may ALL prophesie one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
but rather that you may PROPHESY, etc. compare this Verse with the 24. but if ALL prophesy, and there come in one that Believeth not, etc. and V. 31 You may ALL prophesy one by one, that all may Learn, and all may be comforted.
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when he exhorted them to follow after charity and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that THEY might PROPHESIE, v. 1. 14. If it shall be said, That Prophesying here, was an ordinary Office;
when he exhorted them to follow After charity and desire spiritual Gifts, but rather that THEY might PROPHESY, v. 1. 14. If it shall be said, That Prophesying Here, was an ordinary Office;
then I query, which of those, whether the Episcopal, Presbyterian or Independent-Ordination, be that which is approved by Christ to impower the Ministers to Preach? since all these are Protestants,
then I query, which of those, whither the Episcopal, Presbyterian or Independent-Ordination, be that which is approved by christ to empower the Ministers to Preach? since all these Are Protestants,
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then were not the Ministers of the Episcopal way greatly out, in crying up the Ordination by Bishops to be the onely Authoritative Ordination, in opposition to that of the Presbytery? And that they did so, will appear,
then were not the Ministers of the Episcopal Way greatly out, in crying up the Ordination by Bishops to be the only Authoritative Ordination, in opposition to that of the Presbytery? And that they did so, will appear,
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if you consult Dr. Jer. Tayler, Chaplain to the late King, in his Book called Episcopacy asserted, page 120, 121, 122. It is cleer (saith he) that Bishops were to do some acts which the Presbyters COULD NOT do;
if you consult Dr. Jer. Tailor, Chaplain to the late King, in his Book called Episcopacy asserted, page 120, 121, 122. It is clear (Says he) that Bishops were to do Some acts which the Presbyters COULD NOT do;
19. Again, if you say, All or any the forementioned Ordinations be lawful, then how vain a thing was it for the Presbyterians, to throw down the Government of Episcopacy? why did they not rather reform it then cashier it, seeing it was a power by which Ministers might have been authorized to preach, according to God's Ordinance?
19. Again, if you say, All or any the forementioned Ordinations be lawful, then how vain a thing was it for the Presbyterians, to throw down the Government of Episcopacy? why did they not rather reform it then cashier it, seeing it was a power by which Ministers might have been authorized to preach, according to God's Ordinance?
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21. If Episcopal Authority were of God, as the Bishops pretend, why may not a man lawfully go still to them for Ordination, in case this Authority was never taken from them in an Ecclesiastical way?
21. If Episcopal authority were of God, as the Bishops pretend, why may not a man lawfully go still to them for Ordination, in case this authority was never taken from them in an Ecclesiastical Way?
and yet both lawful? for such is the state of Episcopacie and Presbytery in England one saith that the Presbytery hath no power to ordain, the other saith they have.
and yet both lawful? for such is the state of Episcopacy and Presbytery in England one Says that the Presbytery hath no power to ordain, the other Says they have.
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then if one have their suffrage and Ordination, and this be lawful, (which I think you will not say) then wherein is Mr. Brooks in this to be condemned?
then if one have their suffrage and Ordination, and this be lawful, (which I think you will not say) then wherein is Mr. Brooks in this to be condemned?
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because such an Ordination by Succession could not be had? This Question is grounded, partly upon what you preached, partly upon what you granted me at your House, viz. That where it cannot be had from a lawful successi•• power, there a man may lawfully officiate in the Office of the Ministery without it, and that because he is put upon it through necessity.
Because such an Ordination by Succession could not be had? This Question is grounded, partly upon what you preached, partly upon what you granted me At your House, viz. That where it cannot be had from a lawful successi•• power, there a man may lawfully officiate in the Office of the Ministry without it, and that Because he is put upon it through necessity.
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20. Whether there was any Succession of a true Church in England, who were separated from the Church of Rome? if there was, shew us where that Church was all the time the Papal Power was exercised here,
20. Whither there was any Succession of a true Church in England, who were separated from the Church of Rome? if there was, show us where that Church was all the time the Papal Power was exercised Here,
then I query, whether you are not guilty of that evil your self, (if yet it be an evil) which you charge upon Mr. Brooks in separating from the halt & maimed?
then I query, whither you Are not guilty of that evil your self, (if yet it be an evil) which you charge upon Mr. Brooks in separating from the halt & maimed?
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I query then, whether this very Objecti-that causeth you to exclude Papists, be not the reason why Mr. Brooks refuseth scandalous Protestants and other prophane people, viz. because they do not reform?
I query then, whither this very Objecti-that Causes you to exclude Papists, be not the reason why Mr. Brooks Refuseth scandalous Protestants and other profane people, viz. Because they do not reform?
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although it might not have been lawful before? because Necessity puts one lawfully upon that work, where a successive Ordination cannot be had, by your own Maxim.
although it might not have been lawful before? Because Necessity puts one lawfully upon that work, where a successive Ordination cannot be had, by your own Maxim.
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42. Whereas you said, That the Fifth-monarchy-men were as the smoak of the bottomless pit, and that their Principles did rase the Foundation of Religion;
42. Whereas you said, That the Fifth-monarchy-men were as the smoke of the bottomless pit, and that their Principles did raze the Foundation of Religion;
and the Monarchy of the Medes and Persians, and the Grecian and Roman Monarchy should be wholly extirpated, that then the Lord himself should set up a Fifth monarchy, which should succeed these four, of whose kingdom there should be no end;
and the Monarchy of the Medes and Persians, and the Grecian and Roman Monarchy should be wholly extirpated, that then the Lord himself should Set up a Fifth monarchy, which should succeed these four, of whose Kingdom there should be no end;
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since that some of them were such as engaged the Nation in War and Blood, more then ever those were like to do you call Fifth-monarchy-men? but this surely is un-man-like reasoning.
since that Some of them were such as engaged the nation in War and Blood, more then ever those were like to do you call Fifth-monarchy-men? but this surely is unmanlike reasoning.
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45. Whereas you would seem to blame Mr. Brooks for harsh Judgement, I query, whether your Judgement was charitable when you decried the Fifth-monarchy-men as so many monstrous Hereticks, that rase the Foundation, without any kinde of exception;
45. Whereas you would seem to blame Mr. Brooks for harsh Judgement, I query, whither your Judgement was charitable when you decried the Fifth-monarchy-men as so many monstrous Heretics, that raze the Foundation, without any kind of exception;
And of later times, we have Mr. Robert Matton, Mr. Archer, Mr. Mead, Doctor Twisse, Mr. Ephraim Hewit, Mr. Parker of New-England, Doctor Homes, Mr. Thomas Goodwin, and Mr. Joseph Caryl, who upon his perusal of Doctor Homes his Book, saith, That it is Truth confirmed by Scripture,
And of later times, we have Mr. Robert Matton, Mr. Archer, Mr. Mead, Doctor Twisse, Mr. Ephraim Hewit, Mr. Parker of New england, Doctor Homes, Mr. Thomas Goodwyn, and Mr. Joseph Caryl, who upon his perusal of Doctor Homes his Book, Says, That it is Truth confirmed by Scripture,
then I query, whether in so doing (supposing me to have erred) you walk according to that Rule that tells you, that with meekness you should instruct those that oppose themselves, &c. 2 Tim. 2.24. 47. Doth not the Scripture say, That the Minister of Christ must be an example to a Believer in charity? 1 Tim. 4.12. I query then, whether backbiting, tale-bearing, and taking up a reproach against your Neighbour, be not contrary to the law of Charity:
then I query, whither in so doing (supposing me to have erred) you walk according to that Rule that tells you, that with meekness you should instruct those that oppose themselves, etc. 2 Tim. 2.24. 47. Does not the Scripture say, That the Minister of christ must be an Exampl to a Believer in charity? 1 Tim. 4.12. I query then, whither backbiting, talebearing, and taking up a reproach against your Neighbour, be not contrary to the law of Charity:
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and whether you were not guilty of this, when you told a Gentleman that lives at High-gate, who is ready to witness the Truth hereof, That you were enformed I was a Jesuite;
and whither you were not guilty of this, when you told a Gentleman that lives At Highgate, who is ready to witness the Truth hereof, That you were informed I was a Jesuit;
for that is the punishment the Law hath provided for Jesuites, by the Stat. of Eliz. 27.2. or else (if that Gentleman would have been ruled by you that I might have been laid in Goal right or wrong, to the undoing of my self and Family, till I could have cleered my self of the supposed crime in open Sessions.
for that is the punishment the Law hath provided for Jesuits, by the Stat. of Eliz 27.2. or Else (if that Gentleman would have been ruled by you that I might have been laid in Goal right or wrong, to the undoing of my self and Family, till I could have cleared my self of the supposed crime in open Sessions.
This must need be your design, otherwise why did you encourage him to apprehend me as a Jesuite? but more of this in a more convenient place, where I doubt not of reparation:
This must need be your Design, otherwise why did you encourage him to apprehend me as a Jesuit? but more of this in a more convenient place, where I doubt not of reparation:
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