A plea for Christian magistracie: or, An answer to some passages in Mr. Gillespies sermon, against Mr. Coleman. As also to the brotherly examination of some passages of Mr. Colemans late printed sermon, upon Job 11.20. In which the reverend and learned commissioner affirmeth, he hath endeavoured to strike at the root of all church government. VVherein the argumentative part of the controversie is calmely and mildly, without any personall reflections, prosecuted. / By William Hussey, minister of the Gospell, at Chesilhurst in Kent.
MAster Gillespie seemeth in his Sermon to be much offended at Mr. Coleman: and telleth the Lords, the ignorant and scandalous must be kept from the Sacrament of the Lords Supper,
MAster Gillespie seems in his Sermon to be much offended At Mr. Coleman: and Telleth the lords, the ignorant and scandalous must be kept from the Sacrament of the lords Supper,
and with a flood of words, layeth on them as a very great sin if they doe it not by adding discipline to this Doctrine that is already taught in the Directory, That scandalous and ignorant ought not to receive the Sacrament,
and with a flood of words, Layeth on them as a very great since if they do it not by adding discipline to this Doctrine that is already taught in the Directory, That scandalous and ignorant ought not to receive the Sacrament,
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For my part I thinke it very derogatory to the word of God, and the commission of Christ, to think that any censure of man, should bee of more power and efficacy then the word of God:
For my part I think it very derogatory to the word of God, and the commission of christ, to think that any censure of man, should be of more power and efficacy then the word of God:
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if discipline be not set up to keep the scandalous from the Lords Table, implying that wicked men by comming to the Sacrament do pollute the Sacrament, and pollute the holy;
if discipline be not Set up to keep the scandalous from the lords Table, implying that wicked men by coming to the Sacrament do pollute the Sacrament, and pollute the holy;
which he doth not prove, but some others doe endeavour to doe out of 1 Sam. 2.17. because the sinfull carriage of Elies sonnes caused men to abhor the offering of the Lord:
which he does not prove, but Some Others do endeavour to do out of 1 Sam. 2.17. Because the sinful carriage of Ely's Sons caused men to abhor the offering of the Lord:
but note the reason that the offering became abominable, was because they offered not the sacrifice according to the command of God, they would not have sodden flesh, but raw;
but note the reason that the offering became abominable, was Because they offered not the sacrifice according to the command of God, they would not have sodden Flesh, but raw;
if water be mingled with wine, if transubstantiation be taught, or if adoration of the elements, this is to pollute the Ordinance: and therefore Eph. 5.11. S. Paul doth command not to have felowship with the unfruitfull works of darknes, not workers of darknesse:
if water be mingled with wine, if transubstantiation be taught, or if adoration of the elements, this is to pollute the Ordinance: and Therefore Ephesians 5.11. S. Paul does command not to have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, not workers of darkness:
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nor sweare with the swearer, but if these come and heare, or receive Sacraments with the beleevers they pollute not the Sacrament to them, he that beleeveth eateth of this bread of life, Joh. 6.33. and this shall be made good to the beleever, though there were but one in the world;
nor swear with the swearer, but if these come and hear, or receive Sacraments with the believers they pollute not the Sacrament to them, he that Believeth Eateth of this bred of life, John 6.33. and this shall be made good to the believer, though there were but one in the world;
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and this Beza himselfe is inforced to confesse in his tract against Erastus, his words are, Bonis manere bona Sacramenta etiamsi qui mali aà eadem accedunt ab sit ut inficiemur:
and this Beza himself is enforced to confess in his tract against Erastus, his words Are, Bonis manner Bona Sacraments Even if qui mali aà Same accedunt ab sit ut inficiemur:
he citeth the Story, and noteth the sin of Ely, 1 Sam. 3.13. in that he restrained not his sonnes, and thereupon telleth us out of Thomas Aquinas, that we may consent to other mens sinnes; first directly counselling or approving.
he citeth the Story, and notes the since of Ely, 1 Sam. 3.13. in that he restrained not his Sons, and thereupon Telleth us out of Thomas Aquinas, that we may consent to other men's Sins; First directly counseling or approving.
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all that is said to this point is, That if it were the duty of the Minister and Elder to hinder a scandalous sinner from the Sacrament, he were guilty of his sin if he let him come:
all that is said to this point is, That if it were the duty of the Minister and Elder to hinder a scandalous sinner from the Sacrament, he were guilty of his since if he let him come:
Mr. Coleman scapeth very hardly being called knave, and in a rethoricall imitation of persons cursed for his paines, let his tongue cleave, and in the beginning of his Tract, every mans hand is against Mr. Coleman, and his against every man;
Mr. Coleman escapes very hardly being called knave, and in a Rhetorical imitation of Persons cursed for his pains, let his tongue cleave, and in the beginning of his Tract, every men hand is against Mr. Coleman, and his against every man;
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the world is made beleeve a Monster is come abroad, if it be for his opinion only that all godly Ministers will leave him they must leave others, whom Mr. Gillespie will not deny the estimation of godly Ministers in their times.
the world is made believe a Monster is come abroad, if it be for his opinion only that all godly Ministers will leave him they must leave Others, whom Mr. Gillespie will not deny the estimation of godly Ministers in their times.
Bullenger and Gualter, in their letters to Erastus testifie as much, but because those letters were put forth by some favourer of Erastus, and therefore may seem to be without credit, I shall be bold to cite what Beza in his Preface to his Tract against Erastus, concerning Bullenger, and Gualter doth confesse, of whom he saith:
Bullinger and Gualter, in their letters to Erastus testify as much, but Because those letters were put forth by Some favourer of Erastus, and Therefore may seem to be without credit, I shall be bold to Cite what Beza in his Preface to his Tract against Erastus, Concerning Bullinger, and Gualter does confess, of whom he Says:
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and that the Presbyters did proceed even to suspension from the Lords Supper, because the Church at that time had no Christian Magistrate by whose authority capitall censures might be exercised (which if it had been used, there had been no need of Pauls delivery of the man to Sathan) and also other disorderly men transgressing in smaller matters, might well enough be restrained without suspension from the Sacrament:
and that the Presbyters did proceed even to suspension from the lords Supper, Because the Church At that time had no Christian Magistrate by whose Authority capital censures might be exercised (which if it had been used, there had been no need of Paul's delivery of the man to Sathan) and also other disorderly men transgressing in smaller matters, might well enough be restrained without suspension from the Sacrament:
But so, as that they did not wrest Scripture texts with interpretations new, and fitted to their opinion whereby it appeareth that these mens opinions were, that the words of S. Paul 1 Cor. 5 were a denunciation of the sentence of excommunication, but occasionall and particular;
But so, as that they did not wrest Scripture texts with interpretations new, and fitted to their opinion whereby it appears that these men's opinions were, that the words of S. Paul 1 Cor. 5 were a denunciation of the sentence of excommunication, but occasional and particular;
and this is enough to dash all contentions about the sentence of excommunication, this makes all further dispute meerly speculative, we have a Christian Civill Magistrate though the present differences have taken away much of our comfort we might enjoy in them,
and this is enough to dash all contentions about the sentence of excommunication, this makes all further dispute merely speculative, we have a Christian Civil Magistrate though the present differences have taken away much of our Comfort we might enjoy in them,
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and these disputes render them of lesse use to us, and us to them; whatsoever they shall speake concerning the sentence of excommunication upon the severall places of Scripture,
and these disputes render them of less use to us, and us to them; whatsoever they shall speak Concerning the sentence of excommunication upon the several places of Scripture,
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yet with reason, or without he confesseth (take him in the mildest sense) that they bent or leaned a little toward Erastus; at least so far that in their Churches where they had to do they would not trust the Geneva discipline;
yet with reason, or without he Confesses (take him in the Mildest sense) that they bent or leaned a little towards Erastus; At least so Far that in their Churches where they had to do they would not trust the Geneva discipline;
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Beza himselfe citeth these words out of an Epistle which he acknowledgeth to be Bullengers to Erastus, Neque putes nos ita esse dementes, ut hic omnia ad rigerem Genevensis Ecclesiae exigere, aut revocare velimus.
Beza himself citeth these words out of an Epistle which he acknowledgeth to be Bullengers to Erastus, Neque putes nos ita esse dementes, ut hic omnia ad rigerem Genevan Ecclesiae exigere, Or revocare Velimus.
For my part, I thinke Mr. Gillespie understandeth Mr. Coleman aright, that he thinketh that no Church censures in the hand of Church officers are found in the word of God:
For my part, I think Mr. Gillespie understands Mr. Coleman aright, that he Thinketh that no Church censures in the hand of Church Officers Are found in the word of God:
As for Mr. Gillespies exception against Mr. Colemans word bias, & asserting they came biased for the truth, that is petitio principii, and deserves no answer. The second rule:
As for Mr. Gillespies exception against Mr. Colemans word bias, & asserting they Come biased for the truth, that is petitio Principii, and deserves no answer. The second Rule:
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let precepts, held out as divine institutions, have cleare Scriptures: that is the rule, against which Mr. Gillespie would not adventure to say any thing:
let Precepts, held out as divine institutions, have clear Scriptures: that is the Rule, against which Mr. Gillespie would not adventure to say any thing:
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but ambiguous Scriptures, decided by a vote, if truth, (for they may possibly be errors) are but humano jure; let it be prooved, that the major part of an Assembly have an infallible gift of finding out ambiguous truth,
but ambiguous Scriptures, decided by a vote, if truth, (for they may possibly be errors) Are but Human jure; let it be proved, that the Major part of an Assembly have an infallible gift of finding out ambiguous truth,
and for ought I know, the word expresly, if extended, after a Rhetoricall liberty, to signifie plainly, apparently, may include what is apparently in praemissis, though in a most criticall sense, that may not be sayd to be expresse, that is not found in terminis: but grant, that the word had beene too strait to put into the rule, he put it not in there;
and for ought I know, the word expressly, if extended, After a Rhetorical liberty, to signify plainly, apparently, may include what is apparently in Praemissis, though in a most critical sense, that may not be said to be express, that is not found in terminis: but grant, that the word had been too strait to put into the Rule, he put it not in there;
He reprehendeth Mr. Coleman for supercilious passing over in a Sermon, 1. Cor. 5. Mat. 18. without answering the arguments of the Learned, upon those places:
He reprehendeth Mr. Coleman for supercilious passing over in a Sermon, 1. Cor. 5. Mathew 18. without answering the Arguments of the Learned, upon those places:
and so the King of France and Spain are coordinate over their severall subjects. He sayth the Minister is punishable by the Law of the Land: heere is the difficulty:
and so the King of France and Spain Are coordinate over their several subject's. He say the Minister is punishable by the Law of the Land: Here is the difficulty:
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if the Minister and Elder have power given of Christ, to censure all Christians, and they use this power, according as Christ hath committed it to them;
if the Minister and Elder have power given of christ, to censure all Christians, and they use this power, according as christ hath committed it to them;
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what is the magistrate above these officers? and can he make lawes to bound and limit the lawes of Christ? or if they have power to binde, may the magistrate loose? if they use this power, may the Christian magistrate punish them? this were to allow Christ a very meane kingdome;
what is the magistrate above these Officers? and can he make laws to bound and limit the laws of christ? or if they have power to bind, may the magistrate lose? if they use this power, may the Christian magistrate Punish them? this were to allow christ a very mean Kingdom;
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to this argument Mr. Gillespie maketh no answer at all, though Saint Paul useth the very selfe same argument, to discharge the Preachers from oversight of the poore, Act. 6.2. God forbid we should leave the care of the word of God, and serve at tables;
to this argument Mr. Gillespie makes no answer At all, though Saint Paul uses the very self same argument, to discharge the Preachers from oversight of the poor, Act. 6.2. God forbid we should leave the care of the word of God, and serve At tables;
you should have proved the institution, The Elder that ruleth well is worthy of double honour, 1 Tim. 5.17. proveth not institution of an officer in the Church, which appeareth by this reason:
you should have proved the Institution, The Elder that Ruleth well is worthy of double honour, 1 Tim. 5.17. Proves not Institution of an officer in the Church, which appears by this reason:
how should man know what genius and species were in Logick? what perpendiculum, centrum, diameter, were in Mathematicks without their definitions? if therefore an Elder must signifie an officer, hee must have definition in Theologie that must be demonstrative in Scripture:
how should man know what genius and species were in Logic? what perpendiculum, centrum, diameter, were in Mathematics without their definitions? if Therefore an Elder must signify an officer, he must have definition in Theology that must be demonstrative in Scripture:
and such governours were called Elders of the Tribes, and our Parliament men and governours are such Elders arising out of the publicke consent of the people;
and such Governors were called Elders of the Tribes, and our Parliament men and Governors Are such Elders arising out of the public consent of the people;
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which power doth still remaine in mankinde, to make choice of their company, and to erect private arbiters at pleasure, to determine the differences that arise amongst them, with consent;
which power does still remain in mankind, to make choice of their company, and to erect private arbiters At pleasure, to determine the differences that arise among them, with consent;
and never finde any thing of plaine dealing in it, but non-sense, and fraud, the only difference that I could finde, that the proceeding of the Civill Magistrate did pretend to be legall and regular;
and never find any thing of plain dealing in it, but nonsense, and fraud, the only difference that I could find, that the proceeding of the Civil Magistrate did pretend to be Legal and regular;
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the Ecclesiasticall as far as they durst, to be illegall, irregular and arbitrary, all the government is in the officers that bind, and loose whom they list.
the Ecclesiastical as Far as they durst, to be illegal, irregular and arbitrary, all the government is in the Officers that bind, and lose whom they list.
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though these keyes were never given to any of the Apostles, but to Peter; and he opened the doore of Gods Church to the Gentiles, which was never shut since,
though these keys were never given to any of the Apostles, but to Peter; and he opened the door of God's Church to the Gentiles, which was never shut since,
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Mr. Gillespie supposeth two governments must needs be, and then chideth with the argument, and with Mr. Coleman; but letteth it alone without an answer.
Mr. Gillespie Supposeth two governments must needs be, and then chideth with the argument, and with Mr. Coleman; but lets it alone without an answer.
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ambition is to be feared in Ministers, and sheweth what great contestation hath been for this censure of the Church, that some have preferred it before all acts of piety;
ambition is to be feared in Ministers, and shows what great contestation hath been for this censure of the Church, that Some have preferred it before all acts of piety;
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and have ambitiously endeavoured, that all should passe through their fingers; and that this censure hath plunged the world in blood this many hundred years.
and have ambitiously endeavoured, that all should pass through their fingers; and that this censure hath plunged the world in blood this many hundred Years.
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and therefore Ministers have the name of servants, and Lordship, and Dominion over the slocke denied them in Scripture, to keep them from the like temptation, that they may the more freely from God warn them that are in authority, that they take heed of that temptation:
and Therefore Ministers have the name of Servants, and Lordship, and Dominion over the slock denied them in Scripture, to keep them from the like temptation, that they may the more freely from God warn them that Are in Authority, that they take heed of that temptation:
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and spent themselves wholly in matters of doctrine, and told the Lords of the duty of their place, to doe justice in Parliament without respect of persons,
and spent themselves wholly in matters of Doctrine, and told the lords of the duty of their place, to do Justice in Parliament without respect of Persons,
and put the Commons in mind of all their wholesome Ordinances, that they looke to carefull performance of them, without turning their thoughts after government;
and put the Commons in mind of all their wholesome Ordinances, that they look to careful performance of them, without turning their thoughts After government;
one office may comprehend both these duties, and the comparison may lye in their personall excellencies, one may excell in the governing part of the office,
one office may comprehend both these duties, and the comparison may lie in their personal excellencies, one may excel in the governing part of the office,
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but if this place doe set up your Lay-elder, and the difference is in two distinct offices, that here is an Elder that doth governe, and doth not preach;
but if this place do Set up your Lay-elder, and the difference is in two distinct Offices, that Here is an Elder that does govern, and does not preach;
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the other must preach and not governe: and this agreeth plainly with the 1 Pet. 5.3. not as governing the flock, NONLATINALPHABET, nique ut dominautes, not as Lords:
the other must preach and not govern: and this agreeth plainly with the 1 Pet. 5.3. not as governing the flock,, nique ut dominautes, not as lords:
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for my part I know not how Lordship and government doth differ one from another, dominus and dominari, NONLATINALPHABET and NONLATINALPHABET, be denominatives:
for my part I know not how Lordship and government does differ one from Another, dominus and Dominari, and, be denominatives:
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to imagine that ambition and pride, injury and oppression, or any such vice, did necessarily belong to a Lord, is very injurious unto the very title and honour of a Lord.
to imagine that ambition and pride, injury and oppression, or any such vice, did necessarily belong to a Lord, is very injurious unto the very title and honour of a Lord.
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our knowledge of the Scriptures is to be acquired by ordinary means, tongues for the language, exercise and art for the argument, that the word might be preached in the demonstration,
our knowledge of the Scriptures is to be acquired by ordinary means, tongues for the language, exercise and art for the argument, that the word might be preached in the demonstration,
and another another thing, and we are much troubled and disquieted by it: there is use of Schooles, or otherwise it would never be set up in Universities:
and Another Another thing, and we Are much troubled and disquieted by it: there is use of Schools, or otherwise it would never be Set up in Universities:
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all men venting their owne private opinions, scarce two men found that state any Question in Divinity alike, all because Ministers are not acquainted with one anothers arguments and opinions,
all men venting their own private opinions, scarce two men found that state any Question in Divinity alike, all Because Ministers Are not acquainted with one another's Arguments and opinions,
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yet the Presbyters many, nay for ought I can learne, upon debate in the Assembly, the Independents have gained, that the people have right to choose their Minister:
yet the Presbyters many, nay for ought I can Learn, upon debate in the Assembly, the Independents have gained, that the people have right to choose their Minister:
and nothing but doctrine medled with, or such things as are in Scripture handled in a School way, would be made appeare unto the greatest defendents of that opinion;
and nothing but Doctrine meddled with, or such things as Are in Scripture handled in a School Way, would be made appear unto the greatest defendants of that opinion;
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your plausible Preachers, that fill the world with these stirres, cannot endure the Schools; they wil tel you that Schools will spoile Preachers, best Schoolemen, worst Preachers:
your plausible Preachers, that fill the world with these stirs, cannot endure the Schools; they will tell you that Schools will spoil Preachers, best Schoolmen, worst Preachers:
I mind such few men as are noted for famous Schoolemen, whereas if all men were both exercised in Schooles and Pulpits, Controversies would be silenced,
I mind such few men as Are noted for famous Schoolmen, whereas if all men were both exercised in Schools and Pulpits, Controversies would be silenced,
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and a little diligence will performe, and this hath caused them to turne Preachers: and if they should be silensed by force, they would thinke themselves wronged;
and a little diligence will perform, and this hath caused them to turn Preachers: and if they should be silensed by force, they would think themselves wronged;
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But Mr. Gillespie is very zealous for keeping ordinances pure, though he hath not, nor ever will be able to proove, that any man by his sinne, can pollute the Sacrament to any other, but himselfe.
But Mr. Gillespie is very zealous for keeping ordinances pure, though he hath not, nor ever will be able to prove, that any man by his sin, can pollute the Sacrament to any other, but himself.
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But if they might, cannot men of any ordinary education, if honest, be competent judges of such offences? but the Minister must be called from his Study to examine Drunkards,
But if they might, cannot men of any ordinary education, if honest, be competent judges of such offences? but the Minister must be called from his Study to examine Drunkards,
this were a point equall to the highest of Popish tyranny. The fourth rule, A Christian Magistrate is a Governour in the Church. Mr. Gillespie denieth not this.
this were a point equal to the highest of Popish tyranny. The fourth Rule, A Christian Magistrate is a Governor in the Church. Mr. Gillespie Denieth not this.
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2. Christ at his resurrection declared mightily to be the Son of God, Rom. 14. Act. 2.36. Let the house of Israel confesse, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom yee have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
2. christ At his resurrection declared mightily to be the Son of God, Rom. 14. Act. 2.36. Let the house of Israel confess, that God hath made the same jesus, whom ye have Crucified, both Lord and christ.
Mr. Gillespie confesseth, That this day have I begotten thee, in the 2 Psalm is to be understood of the stating him in his Kingdome, which he prooveth out of Act. 13.33.
Mr. Gillespie Confesses, That this day have I begotten thee, in the 2 Psalm is to be understood of the stating him in his Kingdom, which he proveth out of Act. 13.33.
and therefore is called under the appellation of the Lambe, tha• can agree to Christ but only as a Mediator, King of Kings, and Lord of Lords; and in 1 Tim. 6.15. our Lord Jesus Christ is said to bee the only Potentate, King of Kings, and Lord of Lords;
and Therefore is called under the appellation of the Lamb, tha• can agree to christ but only as a Mediator, King of Kings, and Lord of lords; and in 1 Tim. 6.15. our Lord jesus christ is said to be the only Potentate, King of Kings, and Lord of lords;
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and this is that enrichment of which St. Paul speaketh of 1 Cor. 1.5. where hee telleth them they were enriched in all things in Christ, and v. 30. Christ is said to be made unto us wisdome, righteousnesse, sanctification, and redemption: no holinesse without Christ;
and this is that enrichment of which Saint Paul speaks of 1 Cor. 1.5. where he Telleth them they were enriched in all things in christ, and v. 30. christ is said to be made unto us Wisdom, righteousness, sanctification, and redemption: no holiness without christ;
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or not sinfull, they must be held off, and under Christ, without whom they cannot be pleasing to God, Ps. 72.11. All Kings shall fall downe before him, all Nations shall doe him service:
or not sinful, they must be held off, and under christ, without whom they cannot be pleasing to God, Ps. 72.11. All Kings shall fallen down before him, all nations shall do him service:
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here is as much, and more from Christ, then Mr. Gillespie will ever finde out for his Church officers for all the Scripture of the New Testament came from the Propheticall office of Christ;
Here is as much, and more from christ, then Mr. Gillespie will ever find out for his Church Officers for all the Scripture of the New Testament Come from the Prophetical office of christ;
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and he was promised at the giving of the Law, Deut. 18.15. and thus Peter Act. 3. and Stephen Acts 7. preached: and John 4.25. the woman of Samaria knew that the Messia should teach all things:
and he was promised At the giving of the Law, Deuteronomy 18.15. and thus Peter Act. 3. and Stephen Acts 7. preached: and John 4.25. the woman of Samaria knew that the Messiah should teach all things:
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what Paul preached was in the name of Christ, for he was a vessell to carry the name of Christ before the Gentiles, and Kings, Acts 9.15. if Kings are not beholding to Christ for their offices, they are for the obedience of their subjects, without which the office of a Civill Magistrate is little worth.
what Paul preached was in the name of christ, for he was a vessel to carry the name of christ before the Gentiles, and Kings, Acts 9.15. if Kings Are not beholding to christ for their Offices, they Are for the Obedience of their subject's, without which the office of a Civil Magistrate is little worth.
yet it is in divers considerations, to divers ends, and by divers means, for the ends, Christs ends and the Kings ends are both one, 1 Tim. 2.2. that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, in all godlinesse and honesty, as for divers means that the officers of the Church use when that censure or Church government which is talked of, is proved out of 1 Cor. 5. Mat. 18. or any place of Scripture, it shall be answered God willing.
yet it is in diverse considerations, to diverse ends, and by diverse means, for the ends, Christ ends and the Kings ends Are both one, 1 Tim. 2.2. that we may led a quiet and peaceable life, in all godliness and honesty, as for diverse means that the Officers of the Church use when that censure or Church government which is talked of, is proved out of 1 Cor. 5. Mathew 18. or any place of Scripture, it shall be answered God willing.
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But Mr. Coleman can finde no other government instituted, but Civill, and this is laid to him as a great carelessenesse, that sought no better into the Scriptures then so:
But Mr. Coleman can find no other government instituted, but Civil, and this is laid to him as a great carelessness, that sought no better into the Scriptures then so:
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Mr. Gillespie hath found in many places the institution of the Church officers, he findes that more subjection and obedience is commanded as due, not only to civill,
Mr. Gillespie hath found in many places the Institution of the Church Officers, he finds that more subjection and Obedience is commanded as due, not only to civil,
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but Passor telleth us that NONLATINALPHABET, with a genitive case signifieth pracedo, and then it signifieth no more but them that goe before you, either by doctrine or example, here is nothing of institution:
but Passor Telleth us that, with a genitive case signifies pracedo, and then it signifies no more but them that go before you, either by Doctrine or Exampl, Here is nothing of Institution:
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yea but in the 17 verse, there is obey and rule over you, but that is (as before) them that lead you, the word is NONLATINALPHABET, which is no more but be perswaded:
yea but in the 17 verse, there is obey and Rule over you, but that is (as before) them that led you, the word is, which is no more but be persuaded:
but let the word stand as it is translated (yet when it is so rigorously wrought upon, it cannot be enforced, interpretation belongeth not to the disputant) Obey:
but let the word stand as it is translated (yet when it is so rigorously wrought upon, it cannot be Enforced, Interpretation belongeth not to the disputant) Obey:
obedience is sometimes founded on the authority of the superior, sometimes on the good and benefit of him that doth obey, without any colour or claime of superiority or government:
Obedience is sometime founded on the Authority of the superior, sometime on the good and benefit of him that does obey, without any colour or claim of superiority or government:
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though Gualter and Bullenger are for Mr. Coleman, as Beza confesseth, whatsoever they say upon the place, Mr. Gillespie should prove institution of Church government out of Scripture, the disputant may not interpret that is the answerers part, as before.
though Gualter and Bullinger Are for Mr. Coleman, as Beza Confesses, whatsoever they say upon the place, Mr. Gillespie should prove Institution of Church government out of Scripture, the disputant may not interpret that is the answerers part, as before.
Mr. Coleman saith, Christ hath placed Magistrates in his Church, for which he citeth 1 Cor. 12.28. Eph. 1.3 last verses, to prove all government given to Christ, and Christ as Mediator:
Mr. Coleman Says, christ hath placed Magistrates in his Church, for which he citeth 1 Cor. 12.28. Ephesians 1.3 last Verses, to prove all government given to christ, and christ as Mediator:
though I have left out those arguments that Mr. Gillespie doth confute in answer to Mr. Coleman, because I shall have occasion to speake in his just vindication of them.
though I have left out those Arguments that Mr. Gillespie does confute in answer to Mr. Coleman, Because I shall have occasion to speak in his just vindication of them.
Having recited Mr. Colemans words, he argueth against them ab incommodo, He cannot upon these grounds assert the authority of either Heathen or Christian Magistrate.
Having recited Mr. Colemans words, he argue against them ab incommodo, He cannot upon these grounds assert the Authority of either Heathen or Christian Magistrate.
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and that it is sinne in them that are not, which yet it were not, if it were lawfull for them to enjoy their Heathen condition. Joh. 16.9. The Holy Ghost when he is come, will convince the world of sin, because they beleeve not in me, sayth our Saviour:
and that it is sin in them that Are not, which yet it were not, if it were lawful for them to enjoy their Heathen condition. John 16.9. The Holy Ghost when he is come, will convince the world of since, Because they believe not in me, say our Saviour:
againe, hath any Magistrate commission to be Christian, or may they be Christians, and not obey Christ? I conceive the Prophets are good Expositors of the condition of Christs Kingdome. Ps. 72.11. All Kings shall fall downe before him, all Nations shall serve him. Esay 60.12. That Nation and Kingdome that will not serve thee shall perish.
again, hath any Magistrate commission to be Christian, or may they be Christians, and not obey christ? I conceive the prophets Are good Expositors of the condition of Christ Kingdom. Ps. 72.11. All Kings shall fallen down before him, all nations shall serve him. Isaiah 60.12. That nation and Kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish.
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And the duties of Church officers he citeth, fowre: 1. come together: 2. Preach: 3. baptize: 4. excommunicate: and all these are done in the name of Jesus,
And the duties of Church Officers he citeth, fowre: 1. come together: 2. Preach: 3. baptise: 4. excommunicate: and all these Are done in the name of jesus,
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and so abuseth these places to proove, that we must baptize in the name of Christ, exclusive to the other persons of the Trinity, which is contrary to the words of the commission,
and so abuseth these places to prove, that we must baptise in the name of christ, exclusive to the other Persons of the Trinity, which is contrary to the words of the commission,
he maketh great haste, no more adoe, but we excommunicate: heere is no argument; deliver to Sathan is not to excommunicate, at least they be different termes;
he makes great haste, no more ado, but we excommunicate: Here is no argument; deliver to Sathan is not to excommunicate, At lest they be different terms;
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But grant that it were excommunication, and that Paul did excommunicate, as in plaine termes he did deliver to Sathan Hymineus and Alexander, 1 Tim. 1.20. so in this place being well viewed it will appeare, that St. Paul saith, I have decreed in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, with the power of the Lord Jesus Christ, to deliver such a one to Sathan.
But grant that it were excommunication, and that Paul did excommunicate, as in plain terms he did deliver to Sathan Hymenaeus and Alexander, 1 Tim. 1.20. so in this place being well viewed it will appear, that Saint Paul Says, I have decreed in the name of our Lord jesus christ, with the power of the Lord jesus christ, to deliver such a one to Sathan.
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Mr. Whittaker, Quis ferat cos sic loquentes, dum quae communiae sunt omnibus Christianis ad paucos restringunt, who can endure them to speake so while they restraine those things to a few, that belong to all Christians? where you see he will not endure these two or three to be understood of Church officers, but of any Christians.
Mr. Whittaker, Quis ferat cos sic Loquentes, dum Quae communiae sunt omnibus Christianis ad Paucos restringunt, who can endure them to speak so while they restrain those things to a few, that belong to all Christians? where you see he will not endure these two or three to be understood of Church Officers, but of any Christians.
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yet are not gathered together in Christs name. 2. That they come together with that mind, that they may obey the command of Christ, that they bring with them those affections, those desires, those intentions, which become godly Ministers of Christ.
yet Are not gathered together in Christ name. 2. That they come together with that mind, that they may obey the command of christ, that they bring with them those affections, those Desires, those intentions, which become godly Ministers of christ.
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first, that they may be the true worshippers of God, that they may learne to worship God according to his will out of the Scriptures, they may have good affections to obey Christ, they may seeke Gods glory,
First, that they may be the true worshippers of God, that they may Learn to worship God according to his will out of the Scriptures, they may have good affections to obey christ, they may seek God's glory,
or of God, when men doe any thing in confidence that God will assist us: so Psal. 20.5. In the name of our God will we set up our banners, in confidence God will assist us:
or of God, when men do any thing in confidence that God will assist us: so Psalm 20.5. In the name of our God will we Set up our banners, in confidence God will assist us:
Christ did not say, he was not a judge, but who made me a judge? how doest thou know that I am a judge? and thus Christ in the time of his humiliation did often hide the manifestation of his power: and as for Joh. 18.36. My kingdome is not of this world, I know not how it argueth more for Church government then for civill:
christ did not say, he was not a judge, but who made me a judge? how dost thou know that I am a judge? and thus christ in the time of his humiliation did often hide the manifestation of his power: and as for John 18.36. My Kingdom is not of this world, I know not how it argue more for Church government then for civil:
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but he falleth to an admiration, as if the thing were unpossible, that the power which Christ hath received of his father, should be derived to the civill Magistrate,
but he falls to an admiration, as if the thing were unpossible, that the power which christ hath received of his father, should be derived to the civil Magistrate,
and not as Mediator, then he had no authority as Mediator to send his Apostles: for by this authority, hee sent forth his, Apostles to preach the Gospell;
and not as Mediator, then he had no Authority as Mediator to send his Apostles: for by this Authority, he sent forth his, Apostles to preach the Gospel;
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from this authority here spoken of, i• the authority to preach the Gospell; now it is most cleare that he had authority to preach the Gospell as Mediator, as I have formerly proved.
from this Authority Here spoken of, i• the Authority to preach the Gospel; now it is most clear that he had Authority to preach the Gospel as Mediator, as I have formerly proved.
Christ the Mediator doth many things as God, which could not be performed by man, and many things performed by the humane nature, which were not agreeable to the divine:
christ the Mediator does many things as God, which could not be performed by man, and many things performed by the humane nature, which were not agreeable to the divine:
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it became us to have a Mediator perfect God, and perfect man, and accordingly in the state of humiliation Christ, did work as God and man, he wrought his miracles, healed diseases, commanded windes and sea,
it became us to have a Mediator perfect God, and perfect man, and accordingly in the state of humiliation christ, did work as God and man, he wrought his Miracles, healed diseases, commanded winds and sea,
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as Mediator hee worketh as God and as man ▪ both which actions are actions of his person, per communication•• •••matu••, Mediator is not a third nature, either he doth what Mr. Gillespie entendeth as God,
as Mediator he works as God and as man ▪ both which actions Are actions of his person, per communication•• •••matu••, Mediator is not a third nature, either he does what Mr. Gillespie entendeth as God,
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shall the Mediator be spoyled of his Godhead to set up a supposed Kingdome in the Church, different from the civill? He that is the Mediator being God, hath power to subdue his,
shall the Mediator be spoiled of his Godhead to Set up a supposed Kingdom in the Church, different from the civil? He that is the Mediator being God, hath power to subdue his,
But when he had affirmed that Christ is King, head and governour of his Church only (where is couched fallacia plurium interrogationum, the word head in a more peculiar sense, may bee ascribed to the Church,
But when he had affirmed that christ is King, head and governor of his Church only (where is couched Fallacy Plurium interrogationum, the word head in a more peculiar sense, may be ascribed to the Church,
but if that be erronious, here Deodate upon Ezek. 1.26 speaking of the likenesse of a man, saith it was the Son of God, head of the Church, and King of the universe: and Rom. 10.12. by his death and resurrection, hath gotten him a title to be Lord over all men.
but if that be erroneous, Here Deodate upon Ezekiel 1.26 speaking of the likeness of a man, Says it was the Son of God, head of the Church, and King of the universe: and Rom. 10.12. by his death and resurrection, hath got him a title to be Lord over all men.
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he made him sit on his right hand, right hand doth not signifie place but power, which the Father bestowed on Christ, that in his name he might rule heaven and earth:
he made him fit on his right hand, right hand does not signify place but power, which the Father bestowed on christ, that in his name he might Rule heaven and earth:
and after, Cum dextrae Dei coelum, & terr•• impleat, sequitur regnum Christi ubique diffusum, for as much as the right hand of God doth fill heaven and earth, it followes that the Kingdome of Christ is spread all over.
and After, Cum Dextrae Dei coelum, & terr•• impleat, sequitur Kingdom Christ ubique diffusum, for as much as the right hand of God does fill heaven and earth, it follows that the Kingdom of christ is spread all over.
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and Christ as mediator is made heire of all things. Heb. 1.2. where the state of Christs mediation, his Propheticall, Priestly, and Kingly office, are at large set out, his humiliation to a lower condition then the condition of Angels by death: and after is exalted: and in the chap. 2.8. thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet, in that hee put all things under him, he left nothing that is not put under him.
and christ as Mediator is made heir of all things. Hebrew 1.2. where the state of Christ mediation, his Prophetical, Priestly, and Kingly office, Are At large Set out, his humiliation to a lower condition then the condition of Angels by death: and After is exalted: and in the chap. 2.8. thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet, in that he put all things under him, he left nothing that is not put under him.
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and exalted in another respect, to wit, as the second Person in Trinity, all things had been put under him, the antythesis had not beene ad idem. Againe God is said to put all things under him, whereby it is implied that all things were not under him,
and exalted in Another respect, to wit, as the second Person in Trinity, all things had been put under him, the antythesis had not been and idem. Again God is said to put all things under him, whereby it is implied that all things were not under him,
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and for the good of his Church, and restraineth or diverteth, or destroyeth all his Churches enemies, notwithstanding in the 43 page, he denieth any such working to belong to Christ as mediator;
and for the good of his Church, and restraineth or diverteth, or Destroyeth all his Churches enemies, notwithstanding in the 43 page, he Denieth any such working to belong to christ as Mediator;
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unto which Mr. Gillespie saith, first if by governments in that plate, Civill Magistrates were understood, yet that place saith not, that Christ hath placed them,
unto which Mr. Gillespie Says, First if by governments in that plate, Civil Magistrates were understood, yet that place Says not, that christ hath placed them,
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God hath placed governments in his Church, and if they be meant civill governments, hee hath gotten thus much, that civill governours are in the Church by Gods appointment;
God hath placed governments in his Church, and if they be meant civil governments, he hath got thus much, that civil Governors Are in the Church by God's appointment;
and then I hope Mr. Gillespie will not deny the roome that God hath given them in the Church, upon this ground that God hath nothing to doe to place them there, they should have come in by Christ.
and then I hope Mr. Gillespie will not deny the room that God hath given them in the Church, upon this ground that God hath nothing to do to place them there, they should have come in by christ.
only the major of that argument wanteth proofe, that the Apostle speaketh of such officers as were in the Church in his time only: that cannot be proved;
only the Major of that argument Wants proof, that the Apostle speaks of such Officers as were in the Church in his time only: that cannot be proved;
and this is plain that in sundry places the word doth so signifie, as Joh. 15.16. I have ordained you, that you shall goe and bring forth fruit, Act. 19.21. Paul purposed, both made by NONLATINALPHABET and NONLATINALPHABET, yet both are referred to time to come:
and this is plain that in sundry places the word does so signify, as John 15.16. I have ordained you, that you shall go and bring forth fruit, Act. 19.21. Paul purposed, both made by and, yet both Are referred to time to come:
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2. At that time there were workers of miracles, which did supply the defect of civill Magistrates, which is to workt upon naturalls, to induce men to attend upon the means, Act. 8.6.
2. At that time there were workers of Miracles, which did supply the defect of civil Magistrates, which is to worked upon naturals, to induce men to attend upon the means, Act. 8.6.
Thus much a nationall covenant, and civill Magistrate, may require of the people, that they will attend upon the meanes, out of naturall principles, Deum esse, & 〈 ◊ 〉:
Thus much a national Covenant, and civil Magistrate, may require of the people, that they will attend upon the means, out of natural principles, God esse, & 〈 ◊ 〉:
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and God entred into covenant with the father, for the child, as with Abraham: and the same obligation lieth upon Christian parents to instruct their children, Eph. 6.4. And you fathers, provoke not your children to wrath:
and God entered into Covenant with the father, for the child, as with Abraham: and the same obligation lies upon Christian Parents to instruct their children, Ephesians 6.4. And you Father's, provoke not your children to wrath:
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God be thanked ye have obeyed the forme of doctrine, that was delivered unto you, 2. Tim. 1.13. Hold fast the so me of sound words which thou hast heard of me:
God be thanked you have obeyed the Form of Doctrine, that was Delivered unto you, 2. Tim. 1.13. Hold fast the so me of found words which thou hast herd of me:
and he that heareth and beleaveth, and obayeth from the heart, shall be saved, though the Magistrate and Minister should drive on to politique and ambitious ends,
and he that hears and Believeth, and obayeth from the heart, shall be saved, though the Magistrate and Minister should drive on to politic and ambitious ends,
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and how great a mercy is this to Gods people when all incouragement shall be given to the preaching of the Gospel? when the lust and riot of a people shall be restrayned by the civil Magistrate:
and how great a mercy is this to God's people when all encouragement shall be given to the preaching of the Gospel? when the lust and riot of a people shall be restrained by the civil Magistrate:
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men that refuse to heare the word punished in their persons and estates, and thereby for feare of the Magistrate bee brought to the meanes, God must judge of the successe, as likewise give it.
men that refuse to hear the word punished in their Persons and estates, and thereby for Fear of the Magistrate be brought to the means, God must judge of the success, as likewise give it.
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provided Manna, when they were in the wildernes, and wanted provision, which coased when they enjoyed the provision of the Land. When the Gospell was first,
provided Manna, when they were in the Wilderness, and wanted provision, which coased when they enjoyed the provision of the Land. When the Gospel was First,
lye have not heere a continued catalogue, but ye have these interruptions, NONLATINALPHABET, then NONLATINALPHABET, then NONLATINALPHABET, all these might be present, and liable to view:
lie have not Here a continued catalogue, but you have these interruptions,, then, then, all these might be present, and liable to view:
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and last ye have NONLATINALPHABET, and these may be ordinary gift: healing, if distinguished from miracles, is an ordinary gift: so are divers tongues;
and last you have, and these may be ordinary gift: healing, if distinguished from Miracles, is an ordinary gift: so Are diverse tongues;
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seeing this catalogue is superadditum ecclesia, and the gifts mentioned, not limited by their ends, but onely noted as different gifts, to note that all have not the like qualifications: but in Eph. 4.11. there when the Apostle setteth downe officers, as meanes to the ends which in actions and moralls have a great influence upon the nature of the thing:
seeing this catalogue is superadditum Church, and the Gifts mentioned, not limited by their ends, but only noted as different Gifts, to note that all have not the like qualifications: but in Ephesians 4.11. there when the Apostle sets down Officers, as means to the ends which in actions and morals have a great influence upon the nature of the thing:
and skippeth over helpes, governments, and leaveth them wholly out, which of necessity he must doe where he was in his induction to deale with their experience,
and skippeth over helps, governments, and Leaveth them wholly out, which of necessity he must do where he was in his induction to deal with their experience,
we are so far from thinking all governments, that we finde none at all, but why otherwise they should be left out I know not seeing they did cleerest set forth the difference that one member hath from another (especially to naturall men) which was S. Pauls argument,
we Are so Far from thinking all governments, that we find none At all, but why otherwise they should be left out I know not seeing they did Clearest Set forth the difference that one member hath from Another (especially to natural men) which was S. Paul's argument,
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something for him by your confession, is the Scripture contrary to it selfe, in the same place pro and con, The Apostle saith not that Christ is given to the Church a head of all principalities and powers:
something for him by your Confessi, is the Scripture contrary to it self, in the same place Pro and con, The Apostle Says not that christ is given to the Church a head of all principalities and Powers:
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The brother saith so, and in so saying, he maketh Christ a head to those that are not his body. 1 Is This a very nice exception, the text saith plainly that the power of God shewed it self in Christ;
The brother Says so, and in so saying, he makes christ a head to those that Are not his body. 1 Is This a very Nicaenae exception, the text Says plainly that the power of God showed it self in christ;
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1 in raising him from the dead. 2 In setting him at the right hand of God, which Calvin expoundeth to signifie the power which the Father bestowed upon Christ:
1 in raising him from the dead. 2 In setting him At the right hand of God, which calvin expoundeth to signify the power which the Father bestowed upon christ:
and further saith that these words of the 21 ver•e far above principality is an exegesis, explaining the right hand of God, the words are, hee set him at his owne right hand far above principalities, &c. but in 22, he gave him to bee head over all things to his Church;
and further Says that these words of the 21 ver•e Far above principality is an exegesis, explaining the right hand of God, the words Are, he Set him At his own right hand Far above principalities, etc. but in 22, he gave him to be head over all things to his Church;
If in the visible Church if Christ be considered as head of the Church, which doth by his mediation convey the graces of justification and sanctification upon the faithfull;
If in the visible Church if christ be considered as head of the Church, which does by his mediation convey the graces of justification and sanctification upon the faithful;
I hope the Commissioner will have the Holy Ghost speake sense, and make the comparison to bee made in all these things that he is preferred in, he sitteth nearer the right hand of God, then any principality:
I hope the Commissioner will have the Holy Ghost speak sense, and make the comparison to be made in all these things that he is preferred in, he Sitteth nearer the right hand of God, then any principality:
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and set at the right hand of God the Father: See what the Apostle saith; he saith, he is above principality, in principality; power, in power; might, in might; dominion, in dominion;
and Set At the right hand of God the Father: See what the Apostle Says; he Says, he is above principality, in principality; power, in power; might, in might; dominion, in dominion;
only this must have beene limited to estimation with God, for wee all know that he hath no such estimation among many names on earth, which yet hee is above even in their owne greatnesse, whensoever he is pleased to make use of that right hand of God, where he is set.
only this must have been limited to estimation with God, for we all know that he hath not such estimation among many names on earth, which yet he is above even in their own greatness, whensoever he is pleased to make use of that right hand of God, where he is Set.
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what need all this accumulation of words, when all might have been expressed in this word, Hee is far above all dignities? for though here is a preferring of Christ before rights,
what need all this accumulation of words, when all might have been expressed in this word, He is Far above all dignities? for though Here is a preferring of christ before rights,
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as well as that he is true God? and if Christ, doth he not meane that he is mediator? but the Commissioner saith, that in that place the Apostle sheweth is true God;
as well as that he is true God? and if christ, does he not mean that he is Mediator? but the Commissioner Says, that in that place the Apostle shows is true God;
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Now it is plaine that hee speaketh of Christ as mediator, as may clearly appear both in the 9 verse and beginning of 10 verse, in him dwelleth the fulnesse of the Godhead bodily;
Now it is plain that he speaks of christ as Mediator, as may clearly appear both in the 9 verse and beginning of 10 verse, in him dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
the text saith, that he is head of principality and power, that proveth that Christ is God, saith Mr. Gillespie, God not mediator? that is no consequence;
the text Says, that he is head of principality and power, that Proves that christ is God, Says Mr. Gillespie, God not Mediator? that is no consequence;
but as second Person in Trinity? I see no consequence in this collection. But it is plainly interpreted in the Colloss. 1.15.16.17. how Christ is head of principality and power:
but as second Person in Trinity? I see no consequence in this collection. But it is plainly interpreted in the Colossus. 1.15.16.17. how christ is head of principality and power:
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that is, we have the knowledge of God made knowne to us in him, Joh. 1.18. that is as mediator, if by communication of properties the creation were attributed to Christ as God;
that is, we have the knowledge of God made known to us in him, John 1.18. that is as Mediator, if by communication of properties the creation were attributed to christ as God;
is it therefore denied to him as mediator? well let the Commissioner, acute Philosophari do Deo, and say as God and not as mediator, he did create the world,
is it Therefore denied to him as Mediator? well let the Commissioner, acute Philosophize do God, and say as God and not as Mediator, he did create the world,
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shall it not therefore bee in the compasse of the mediators office to governe any thing that was created? now here is a new distinction between the person and office of Christ, what kinde of division shall this bee? shall this be a lawfull distribution of Christs actions? some personall, some officiall, those things that prove Christ to be God, doe by no meanes belong to the office of Christ:
shall it not Therefore be in the compass of the mediators office to govern any thing that was created? now Here is a new distinction between the person and office of christ, what kind of division shall this be? shall this be a lawful distribution of Christ actions? Some personal, Some official, those things that prove christ to be God, do by no means belong to the office of christ:
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here is something said, but doth it appeare that the Kingdome that hee shall lay downe to God his Father is not over all the world? The laying open of this businesse will solve the whole knot,
Here is something said, but does it appear that the Kingdom that he shall lay down to God his Father is not over all the world? The laying open of this business will solve the Whole knot,
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Christ hath a Kingdome which he will lay downe to God his Father, which Kingdom is also called eternall, 2 Pet. 1.11. which is understood of the Kingdome of grace;
christ hath a Kingdom which he will lay down to God his Father, which Kingdom is also called Eternal, 2 Pet. 1.11. which is understood of the Kingdom of grace;
but as they are in, or out of Christ, all deferring of judgement from the wicked, is in and for Christ, which otherwise the justice of God would not allow;
but as they Are in, or out of christ, all deferring of judgement from the wicked, is in and for christ, which otherwise the Justice of God would not allow;
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all the admission of us into the presence of God, is by the humanity of Christ, all conveying of grace to us is by Christ, he is to us wisdome, righteousnesse, sanctification, redemption:
all the admission of us into the presence of God, is by the humanity of christ, all conveying of grace to us is by christ, he is to us Wisdom, righteousness, sanctification, redemption:
but the Scripture doth tell us, that Christ hath the government of heaven and earth instead of the Father, that wee should not thinke of any other Lord and governour but him, that we should looke for salvation only in him;
but the Scripture does tell us, that christ hath the government of heaven and earth instead of the Father, that we should not think of any other Lord and governor but him, that we should look for salvation only in him;
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nor dare I ever grant, but rethoricè, yet what is this for your different government, from the civill? Christs Kingdome is administred in dextra Dei; and you sayd Mr. Coleman must proove if the civill Magistrate will be but King under Christ his deputation, may not the like be required of you, Mr. Gillespie? I pray proove any commission issuing out from the Kingly office of Christ:
nor Dare I ever grant, but rethoricè, yet what is this for your different government, from the civil? Christ Kingdom is administered in dextra Dei; and you said Mr. Coleman must prove if the civil Magistrate will be but King under christ his deputation, may not the like be required of you, Mr. Gillespie? I pray prove any commission issuing out from the Kingly office of christ:
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It is plaine Christ did delegate officers, to execute his propheticall office, and granted a commission to his Apostles to last to the end of the world;
It is plain christ did delegate Officers, to execute his prophetical office, and granted a commission to his Apostles to last to the end of the world;
his prophesie he executed himselfe on earth, as a man, and when he left the earth, deputed officers to execute that office in his absence, till he returne to judge in the last day:
his prophesy he executed himself on earth, as a man, and when he left the earth, deputed Officers to execute that office in his absence, till he return to judge in the last day:
the very word instrument doth implie, that they are in the hand of God, and therefore though instrumenta animalia, nay rationalia, and so capable of an instruction,
the very word Instrument does imply, that they Are in the hand of God, and Therefore though Instrumenta animalia, nay rationalia, and so capable of an instruction,
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hee that will not heare the voyce of that Prophet, shall die the death: but the passing that sentence of death belongeth to another office, namely the Kingly office,
he that will not hear the voice of that Prophet, shall die the death: but the passing that sentence of death belongeth to Another office, namely the Kingly office,
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for which Christ hath appointed an assize, which is called the day of our Lord Jesus Christ, 1. Cor. 1.8. that ye may be blameles in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ:
for which christ hath appointed an assize, which is called the day of our Lord jesus christ, 1. Cor. 1.8. that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord jesus christ:
before Christ, that we should without any commission of Oyer and Determiner, take upon us to censure these that the Gospell summoneth before the time come?
before christ, that we should without any commission of Oyer and Determiner, take upon us to censure these that the Gospel summoneth before the time come?
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Or if we grant further, that Christ hath granted the execution of his Kingly office, to his Church, what is that to the Ministers? That is nothing to the Ministers, their worke is not dominion,
Or if we grant further, that christ hath granted the execution of his Kingly office, to his Church, what is that to the Ministers? That is nothing to the Ministers, their work is not dominion,
but by the prophesie, and teaching to helpe sayth, which the holy Ghost hath separated, 2. Cor. 1.24. not that we have dominion of your faith, but are helpers of your joy.
but by the prophesy, and teaching to help say, which the holy Ghost hath separated, 2. Cor. 1.24. not that we have dominion of your faith, but Are helpers of your joy.
Let any man prove that a Minister hath any more to doe from Christ, then to teach and baptize, which of necessity you must if you imploy him jure divino, about government.
Let any man prove that a Minister hath any more to do from christ, then to teach and baptise, which of necessity you must if you employ him jure divino, about government.
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God forbid wee should leave the word of God, and serve at Tables: the Bishops heeretofore did except counsell tables, and you must except consistory tables:
God forbid we should leave the word of God, and serve At Tables: the Bishops heretofore did except counsel tables, and you must except consistory tables:
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why should those that are the Ministers intermeddle? why should wee endevour to perswade men to make use of this sentence of excommunication, to set the people of God one against another? me thinkes our ayme should be to preach unity.
why should those that Are the Ministers intermeddle? why should we endeavour to persuade men to make use of this sentence of excommunication, to Set the people of God one against Another? me thinks our aim should be to preach unity.
and in the same Epistle wherein, upon occasion, he preacheth this excommunication, as you will have it, hee beginneth his Epistle with an exhortation to unity, among the people,
and in the same Epistle wherein, upon occasion, he Preacheth this excommunication, as you will have it, he begins his Epistle with an exhortation to unity, among the people,
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For ought I see, heere is nothing preached that may binde up the breaches, but as though nothing were intended but division, excommunication is the only subject:
For ought I see, Here is nothing preached that may bind up the Breaches, but as though nothing were intended but division, excommunication is the only Subject:
as a Church man, and common wealths man? why should this man choosing a Knight, act, by other principles then in chusing an elder? should he make choice of an holy man to be an elder, a wicked man for the Parliament? how much better were it for all men, to comfort themselves in this, that they doe injoy this Christian liberty, that nothing is layd upon them but by their owne consent (so as the consent of any humane society can be procured) we are as free in our estates,
as a Church man, and Common wealths man? why should this man choosing a Knight, act, by other principles then in choosing an elder? should he make choice of an holy man to be an elder, a wicked man for the Parliament? how much better were it for all men, to Comfort themselves in this, that they do enjoy this Christian liberty, that nothing is laid upon them but by their own consent (so as the consent of any humane society can be procured) we Are as free in our estates,
is not so to bee understood, that they ought not to subject themselves to the necessary rules of humane society, that Christians might make covenants of subjection,
is not so to be understood, that they ought not to Subject themselves to the necessary rules of humane society, that Christians might make Covenants of subjection,
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or to imagine your selves not borne under the lawes of your Country, because Christians. Thus far you are free by Christian liberty to obey parents in the Lord only:
or to imagine your selves not born under the laws of your Country, Because Christians. Thus Far you Are free by Christian liberty to obey Parents in the Lord only:
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what must words of a Commission admit of a Rhetoricall sense, and have no literall truth, some of all Nations, not the representative body of a Nation? But if the Parliament will give mee leave and such encouragement that I may make it my worke, I shall endeavour to make appeare the great mistake, the name and nature of the Church.
what must words of a Commission admit of a Rhetorical sense, and have no literal truth, Some of all nations, not the representative body of a nation? But if the Parliament will give me leave and such encouragement that I may make it my work, I shall endeavour to make appear the great mistake, the name and nature of the Church.
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and why must the Church bee excepted? Mr. Gillespie could see that all things yet were not put under in Heb. 2.8. the latter part of the verse, but could not see the words immediately going before, he hath left nothing that is not put under him:
and why must the Church be excepted? Mr. Gillespie could see that all things yet were not put under in Hebrew 2.8. the latter part of the verse, but could not see the words immediately going before, he hath left nothing that is not put under him:
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he hath so troubled the sense of these words, that truly I cannot understand what he meaneth: he citeth 1 Cor. 15.25. he must reigne till he hath put all his enemies under his feet; and in Act. 2.34.35. Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thy foes thy footstool.
he hath so troubled the sense of these words, that truly I cannot understand what he means: he citeth 1 Cor. 15.25. he must Reign till he hath put all his enemies under his feet; and in Act. 2.34.35. Fit thou on my right hand, till I make thy foes thy footstool.
so that it can never bee proved, that the meaning of these words, hee hath put all things under his feet, is that, all government is given to Christ as Mediator.
so that it can never be proved, that the meaning of these words, he hath put all things under his feet, is that, all government is given to christ as Mediator.
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For answer to this argument, I say, that untill he hath put all his enemies under his feet in 1 Cor. 15.25. and he that hath put all things under, 27. have not the same antecedent;
For answer to this argument, I say, that until he hath put all his enemies under his feet in 1 Cor. 15.25. and he that hath put all things under, 27. have not the same antecedent;
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the former, hee is God man, the Mediator: the latter, is God the Father; in the former the subject of this subjection is his enemies; this latter, all things:
the former, he is God man, the Mediator: the latter, is God the Father; in the former the Subject of this subjection is his enemies; this latter, all things:
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put under his feet in the former, is finall destruction of death, a putting downe of all rule, authority and power, a confusion and destruction of all his enemies:
put under his feet in the former, is final destruction of death, a putting down of all Rule, Authority and power, a confusion and destruction of all his enemies:
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heere God giveth the right in recompence of his suffering, as Phil. 2. wherefore God hath exalted him, &c. There hee executeth his wrath upon his enemies:
Here God gives the right in recompense of his suffering, as Philip 2. Wherefore God hath exalted him, etc. There he Executeth his wrath upon his enemies:
what good can he doe his Church, by an empty dignity, without any governement or authority? but if he that hath power over all things bee given to his Church, this is a gift indeed full of comfort to his Church, that he that is head in respect of influence and life, is head of all things,
what good can he do his Church, by an empty dignity, without any government or Authority? but if he that hath power over all things be given to his Church, this is a gift indeed full of Comfort to his Church, that he that is head in respect of influence and life, is head of all things,
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The last verse doth further confirme what I say, sayth Mr. Gillespie, for the Apostle continuing his speech sayth, which is his body, the fulnes of him that filleth all in all:
The last verse does further confirm what I say, say Mr. Gillespie, for the Apostle Continuing his speech say, which is his body, the fullness of him that fills all in all:
heere is Deus sine Deo: as for his NONLATINALPHABET, and NONLATINALPHABET, glory, power, and kingdome: glory, not derived from a Kingdome, I know none;
Here is Deus sine God: as for his, and, glory, power, and Kingdom: glory, not derived from a Kingdom, I know none;
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and all doe governe under him, and ought to governe for him, I wonder he is so much offended, sure it is not because he would not have Christ have so much power;
and all do govern under him, and ought to govern for him, I wonder he is so much offended, sure it is not Because he would not have christ have so much power;
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I wish that men would looke impartially upon the word of God, and see how it can be proved that Christ hath given any government to Ministers immediately,
I wish that men would look impartially upon the word of God, and see how it can be proved that christ hath given any government to Ministers immediately,
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to give all disputants and godly men opportunity to deale clearly in these points, I wish these points might be decided among our selves in a candid dispute, rather then to fill the world with our differences. Let these be the questions.
to give all disputants and godly men opportunity to deal clearly in these points, I wish these points might be decided among our selves in a candid dispute, rather then to fill the world with our differences. Let these be the questions.
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5. Whether any member of such a Commonwealth rightly ordered where he hath his consent to making of Civill Lawes, may hold himselfe free from such Lawes in matters of conscience? Neg.
5. Whither any member of such a Commonwealth rightly ordered where he hath his consent to making of Civil Laws, may hold himself free from such Laws in matters of conscience? Neg.
These things being candidly discussed, and we being all of one minde in them, I hope peace may be expected amongst all the members of the Kingdome, Which God grant. FINIS.
These things being candidly discussed, and we being all of one mind in them, I hope peace may be expected among all the members of the Kingdom, Which God grant. FINIS.
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Minime tamen nego maximes illos viros ut & Dominum Wolfgangum Musculū existimasse excommunicationem penes Presbyterium fuisse & ad exclusionem usque à Coena Domini Presbyteros ideo fuisse progressos. Quod Christianum tunc Magistratum non haberet Ecclesiacujus authoritate capitalia judicia exercerenter (quod si Corinthi factum fuisset nulla fuisset opus Pauli de illo, Sathanae tradendo denuntiatione) tum alii, NONLATINALPHABET levioribus offendiculis peccantes citra exclusionem à coena satis coercerentur: quod cum utrumque prastare Christianus Magistratus, nunc possit ac debeat carere nunc posse Christianas ecclesias hae disciplinae severitate.
Minime tamen nego maxims Illos viros ut & Dominum Wolfgang Musculū existimasse excommunicationem penes Presbyterium Fuisse & ad exclusionem usque à Coena Domini Presbyters ideo Fuisse progressos. Quod Christian tunc Magistratum non haberet Ecclesiacujus authoritate capitalia Judicia exercerenter (quod si Corinth factum fuisset nulla fuisset opus Pauli de illo, Sathanae tradendo denuntiatione) tum alii, levioribus offendiculis peccantes citra exclusionem à Coena satis coercerentur: quod cum utrumque prastare Christian Magistratus, nunc possit ac debeat career nunc posse Christianas Ecclesiastes hae Discipline severitate.
In Christi nomine congregari due significat: Primum eos qui conveniunt esse veros & sinceres Dei cultores, & sanae Religionis professores, quam non aliunde nisi Scripturae didiscerunt, nam qui alio modo Deum colunt quam quo ille coli vult, quantumvis maxinsi praesules fuerint in ecclesia, non tamen in Christi nomine congregantur: secundum ut eo animo conveniant, ut Christi mandato per omnia obediant, ut que eas secum affectiones afferant, ea studia eas voluntates, quae pios Christi ministres deceant ut nihil propter Dei gloriam quaerant, aut sibi proponant, ut veritatem ex Scripturis inquirant, inventam aliis commendent, non ut suum regnum stabiliant, &c.
In Christ nomine congregari due significat: Primum eos qui conveniunt esse veros & sinceres Dei Cultores, & Sanae Religion professores, quam non aliunde nisi Scriptures didiscerunt, nam qui Alio modo God colunt quam quo Isle coli vult, However much maxinsi praesules fuerint in Church, non tamen in Christ nomine congregantur: secundum ut eo animo conveniant, ut Christ Commandment per omnia obediant, ut que eas secum affectiones afferant, ea Studia eas Voluntates, Quae Pios Christ Ministers deceant ut nihil propter Dei gloriam Quaerant, Or sibi proponant, ut veritatem ex Scriptures inquirant, inventam Others commendent, non ut suum Kingdom stabiliant, etc.
