Church-customes vindicated in tvvo sermons preached at Kingstone upon Thames: the one at the primary visitation of the Right Reverend Father in God Richard by the grace of God late L.B. of Winton, anno 1628. The other at the first metropoliticall visitation of the Most Reverend Father in God William by the grace of God Lord Arch-Bishop of Canterbury his grace, &c. July 9. 1635. By William Quelch B.D. and R. of East-horsly Surrey.
THE customes of the Church, through the stubborne humours of contentious men, are growne so obsolete and out of custome in most places, that I feare I may bee thought to breake the custome, while I seeke to vindicate and defend her customes.
THE customs of the Church, through the stubborn humours of contentious men, Are grown so obsolete and out of custom in most places, that I Fear I may be Thought to break the custom, while I seek to vindicate and defend her customs.
But when I looke back unto purer times, and finde how the Church could stand upon her customes in the very infancy and childhood of the Gospell, before the customes were come to age, I make no doubt but the same customs being grown at length to mans estate, in the ripenesse,
But when I look back unto Purer times, and find how the Church could stand upon her customs in the very infancy and childhood of the Gospel, before the customs were come to age, I make no doubt but the same customs being grown At length to men estate, in the ripeness,
Si quis videtur contentiosus; If any seeme, &c. Contentions and customes appeare unto us at the first sight like two sturdy and valiant Champions, ready to assault each other in a single combat:
Si quis videtur contentiosus; If any seem, etc. Contentions and customs appear unto us At the First sighed like two sturdy and valiant Champions, ready to assault each other in a single combat:
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Contention stands up like proud Goliah, swelling and powting against all the customes of the Churches. Custome stands up like little David to accept the challenge of Contention, and bids defiance to the proud Philistime.
Contention Stands up like proud Goliath, swelling and pouting against all the customs of the Churches. Custom Stands up like little David to accept the challenge of Contention, and bids defiance to the proud Philistine.
as it were with a stone taken from the Churches Scrip. Non habemus consuetudinem: We have &c. Contention is the first that makes the challenge, and if you desire to know the ground of this deadly quarrell;
as it were with a stone taken from the Churches Scrip. Non habemus consuetudinem: We have etc. Contention is the First that makes the challenge, and if you desire to know the ground of this deadly quarrel;
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3. By whom the quarrell was begun, and that's implied here, to be NONLATINALPHABET some busie fellow of a wrangling humour, that loved contention more then peace.
3. By whom the quarrel was begun, and that's implied Here, to be Some busy fellow of a wrangling humour, that loved contention more then peace.
3. Who were the founders of the customes; and they are implyed here to bee the Apostles of Christ that could not erre in doctrine, much lesse in the ordination of a custome.
3. Who were the founders of the customs; and they Are employed Here to be the Apostles of christ that could not err in Doctrine, much less in the ordination of a custom.
I meane such a grave and decent custome, against such a slight and trifling quarrell: the Churches of God that kept the custome against that one single Church that broke the custome: 3 the Apostles of Christ the founders of this custome, against that one contentious man, the ringleader and broacher of innovation;
I mean such a grave and decent custom, against such a slight and trifling quarrel: the Churches of God that kept the custom against that one single Church that broke the custom: 3 the Apostles of christ the founders of this custom, against that one contentious man, the ringleader and broacher of innovation;
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I shall thinke it fit to refer the cause to your own judgement, whether ye thinke such a custome maintained by all the Churches, and allowed by the warrant of the blessed Apostles, be not worthy to beate downe such a fond and frivolous quarrell but newly brought into the Church of Corinth, by that filly sect-master that stands upon record for a contentious man.
I shall think it fit to refer the cause to your own judgement, whither you think such a custom maintained by all the Churches, and allowed by the warrant of the blessed Apostles, be not worthy to beat down such a found and frivolous quarrel but newly brought into the Church of Corinth, by that filly Sectmaster that Stands upon record for a contentious man.
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And first I must begin to deale with contention, a troublesome and turbulent spirit I am like to finde him, that loves wrangling as hee loves his life,
And First I must begin to deal with contention, a troublesome and turbulent Spirit I am like to find him, that loves wrangling as he loves his life,
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He never appeares to us in a still voice, as the Lord appeared unto Eliah; but whensoever he comes, he comes in a tempest, storming and blustering against all good order, both of Church and State:
He never appears to us in a still voice, as the Lord appeared unto Elijah; but whensoever he comes, he comes in a tempest, storming and blustering against all good order, both of Church and State:
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Pitty such a crosse, disorderly mate should finde harbour in any civill society, much lesse in the Church of God, which ought to be composed as a City at unity.
Pity such a cross, disorderly mate should find harbour in any civil society, much less in the Church of God, which ought to be composed as a city At unity.
but I feare me as long as the Church consists of men, and men consist of sundry passions, we shall hardly be free from all contention. The devill is growne such a cunning politician, that when he cannot rob us of our truth, hee will doe the best he can to rob us of our peace;
but I Fear me as long as the Church consists of men, and men consist of sundry passion, we shall hardly be free from all contention. The Devil is grown such a cunning politician, that when he cannot rob us of our truth, he will do the best he can to rob us of our peace;
and when hee cannot plucke up the good wheat of wholesome doctrine that is sowne in our field by the good seeds-man, he does all that he can to mingle the wheat with the tares and darnell of contention.
and when he cannot pluck up the good wheat of wholesome Doctrine that is sown in our field by the good seedsman, he does all that he can to mingle the wheat with the tares and darnel of contention.
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And what though? shall we therefore forsake the good field, and renounce the wheat of wholsome doctrine because wee finde it mingled with some cockle? Shall wee forsake the Church, and shipwrack the faith,
And what though? shall we Therefore forsake the good field, and renounce the wheat of wholesome Doctrine Because we find it mingled with Some cockle? Shall we forsake the Church, and shipwreck the faith,
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if we may have the word and Sacraments as so cheape a rate, and pay nothing for it but a little contention, let us never complaine of a deare bargaine.
if we may have the word and Sacraments as so cheap a rate, and pay nothing for it but a little contention, let us never complain of a deer bargain.
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Contention hath beene and will ever be the unwelcome companion of the Church militant: Christ himselfe came not into the world to bring peace, but to bring a sword: and if any Church upon earth can shew me a perfect charter of exemption from all contention, I should begin to thinke that wee had our heaven already upon earth,
Contention hath been and will ever be the unwelcome Companion of the Church militant: christ himself Come not into the world to bring peace, but to bring a sword: and if any Church upon earth can show me a perfect charter of exemption from all contention, I should begin to think that we had our heaven already upon earth,
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and shall we beleeve there was no contention all that while? But, say they had some contentions in those times betwixt the Orthodox and the heretickes,
and shall we believe there was no contention all that while? But, say they had Some contentions in those times betwixt the Orthodox and the Heretics,
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But whatsoever you may think of those times, as if they had rest from all contention; yet if you knew the differences betwixt the best learned of those ages: (.i.) Anicetus and Polycarpus, Chrysostome and Epiphanius, Ierome and Ruffinus, Stephanus and Cyprian, Victor and the Easterne Churches, Prosper and the Doctors of France,
But whatsoever you may think of those times, as if they had rest from all contention; yet if you knew the differences betwixt the best learned of those ages: (i) Anicetus and Polycarp, Chrysostom and Epiphanius, Jerome and Ruffinus, Stephanus and Cyprian, Victor and the Eastern Churches, Prosper and the Doctors of France,
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and yet if you look into 1. Cap. of this our Epist. and the 11. ver. yee shall heare S. Paul complaine of some contentions: It is reported to me by those of the house of Cloe, that there are contentions among you.
and yet if you look into 1. Cap. of this our Epistle and the 11. ver. ye shall hear S. Paul complain of Some contentions: It is reported to me by those of the house of Cloe, that there Are contentions among you.
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and if you looke into the 2. Gal. you shall heare of contention among the chiefe pillars of the Church, S. Peter and Paul, and that about no meane point of Christian politie, that concerned the abrogation of Jewish Ceremonies.
and if you look into the 2. Gal. you shall hear of contention among the chief pillars of the Church, S. Peter and Paul, and that about no mean point of Christian polity, that concerned the abrogation of Jewish Ceremonies.
It makes mee wonder so much the more why the Church of Rome at this day should stand so much upon the unitie of the Church, and beare us in hand that their unity and concord in religion is a certaine badge and character of the true Church.
It makes me wonder so much the more why the Church of Rome At this day should stand so much upon the unity of the Church, and bear us in hand that their unity and concord in Religion is a certain badge and character of the true Church.
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and though we sell all that we have, like the good Merchant in the Gospell, to get possession of that pearle, they will make us beleeve we shall be gainers by the bargaine.
and though we fell all that we have, like the good Merchant in the Gospel, to get possession of that pearl, they will make us believe we shall be gainers by the bargain.
It is a good purchase indeed to buy truth at what rate soever, but to buy truth attended with unitie, were a purchase in my minde beyond the rules of Numeration.
It is a good purchase indeed to buy truth At what rate soever, but to buy truth attended with unity, were a purchase in my mind beyond the rules of Numeration.
for all the members of their Church are so colligated and bound together in a kinde of subjection and subordination to one head, that you shall seldome heare of any contention among them that ever breakes out into open flames.
for all the members of their Church Are so colligated and bound together in a kind of subjection and subordination to one head, that you shall seldom hear of any contention among them that ever breaks out into open flames.
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A happy Church they must needs have, if things be answerable to their vaunts, but if it doe not appeare upon just triall out of the best Records of their owne Church, that they have contentions as well as wee,
A happy Church they must needs have, if things be answerable to their vaunts, but if it do not appear upon just trial out of the best Records of their own Church, that they have contentions as well as we,
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Did you never heare of any difference betwixt the Thomists and the Scotists, of any jarres betweene the Seculars and the Iesuits, of any quarrells among the Cardinalls themselves in the sacred conclave? what Church, what State in the whole world that is not conscious of their dissentions? and if all these be not proof enough that their peace comes short of ours, their dissention is more then ours, let us appeale to Bellarmine himselfe, the chiefe Advocate of the Romane cause, who reckons us more then 200 opinions diversly maintained pro and con among the Doctors of their Church.
Did you never hear of any difference betwixt the Thomists and the Scotists, of any jars between the Seculars and the Iesuits, of any quarrels among the Cardinals themselves in the sacred conclave? what Church, what State in the Whole world that is not conscious of their dissensions? and if all these be not proof enough that their peace comes short of ours, their dissension is more then ours, let us appeal to Bellarmine himself, the chief Advocate of the Roman cause, who reckons us more then 200 opinions diversely maintained Pro and con among the Doctors of their Church.
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if they have no better badge and livery of their Church then such a counterfeit pretended unity, we shall never have cause I dare say either to be fond of their church, or to be jealous of our own.
if they have no better badge and livery of their Church then such a counterfeit pretended unity, we shall never have cause I Dare say either to be found of their Church, or to be jealous of our own.
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And yet tis a wonder to see with what a face of brasse and impudence the Romanists of these times are wont to upbraid us with the quarrells of our Church, as if Rome had engrossed all the unity:
And yet this a wonder to see with what a face of brass and impudence the Romanists of these times Are wont to upbraid us with the quarrels of our Church, as if Rome had engrossed all the unity:
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yea though it be the name of Peter and Paul, we are free enough from those contentions which S. Paul imputes to this Church of Corinth; and though they impute unto us any other differences which have been alwaies incident to the purest Churches, they must not think to shake our faith by such poore and slender exprobrations.
yea though it be the name of Peter and Paul, we Are free enough from those contentions which S. Paul imputes to this Church of Corinth; and though they impute unto us any other differences which have been always incident to the Purest Churches, they must not think to shake our faith by such poor and slender exprobrations.
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We know that these were the common darts which both the Heathens of old, and the Turks of latter times were wont to cast against the Christian faith, and if they can find no other arguments to confute us,
We know that these were the Common darts which both the heathens of old, and the Turks of latter times were wont to cast against the Christian faith, and if they can find no other Arguments to confute us,
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but what they are faine to borrow from Turks and Heathens, and such as equally concern both them and us, they will make us think they are hardly driven.
but what they Are feign to borrow from Turks and heathens, and such as equally concern both them and us, they will make us think they Are hardly driven.
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We can hardly look to be in better state then the Apostolique Churches, and if they were faine to suffer contention, why should we grudge to bear the like? our case can hardly be worse then theirs,
We can hardly look to be in better state then the Apostolic Churches, and if they were feign to suffer contention, why should we grudge to bear the like? our case can hardly be Worse then theirs,
for they had contentions in this ver. schismes in the 18. ver. heresies in the 19. ver. and therefore if all these should fall to our lott, (which God of his mercy turne away from us) yet we have learned of the blessed Apostle not to think strange of any such tryall, as if some new thing were fallen upon us,
for they had contentions in this ver. schisms in the 18. ver. heresies in the 19. ver. and Therefore if all these should fallen to our lot, (which God of his mercy turn away from us) yet we have learned of the blessed Apostle not to think strange of any such trial, as if Some new thing were fallen upon us,
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but patiently to share in that common calamity that equally belongs to all the Churches. When all is done, the Church of Corinth shall be our apologie, we suffer no more then she hath done,
but patiently to share in that Common calamity that equally belongs to all the Churches. When all is done, the Church of Corinth shall be our apology, we suffer no more then she hath done,
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Nothing was opposed, for for ought we find, but a bare ceremony, and the outward gesture in praying or prophesying was the onely cause of this sharp contention.
Nothing was opposed, for for ought we find, but a bore ceremony, and the outward gesture in praying or prophesying was the only cause of this sharp contention.
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but when a ceremony is enjoyned by lawfull authority, he knew well enough that obedience or disobedience in a small matter was not to be counted a small matter.
but when a ceremony is enjoined by lawful Authority, he knew well enough that Obedience or disobedience in a small matter was not to be counted a small matter.
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be the thing commanded never so great, it commends the obedience never the more: be the thing commanded never so small, it cannot excuse the disobedience.
be the thing commanded never so great, it commends the Obedience never the more: be the thing commanded never so small, it cannot excuse the disobedience.
Christ commends the good servant because he was faithfull in the least things, to teach us that faithfulnesse or unfaithfulnesse in the least things cannot be counted the least thing:
christ commends the good servant Because he was faithful in the least things, to teach us that faithfulness or unfaithfulness in the least things cannot be counted the least thing:
and therefore as the Lord himselfe doth often punish the least unfaithfulnesse, whether in eating an apple, or gathering of sticks when tis forbidden, with greater punishments then fouler sins,
and Therefore as the Lord himself does often Punish the least unfaithfulness, whither in eating an apple, or gathering of sticks when this forbidden, with greater punishments then Fowler Sins,
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More danger there is in this poore contention then the common sort of men doe commonly think, not onely because it kindles a fire among brethren of the sam faith and the same religion, whose aemulous vyings and mutuall contestations among themselves cannot chuse but aggravate and increase the flame,
More danger there is in this poor contention then the Common sort of men do commonly think, not only Because it kindles a fire among brothers of the same faith and the same Religion, whose aemulous vyings and mutual contestations among themselves cannot choose but aggravate and increase the flame,
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but the sinne of schisme that spurns men on against the orders of the Church, is so bold and sawcy of its owne nature, that it ever stands upon justification,
but the sin of Schism that spurns men on against the order of the Church, is so bold and saucy of its own nature, that it ever Stands upon justification,
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and being vainly past up with selfe-conceit, it dares out-face all authority. Other sinnes fight against the Church, not directly, but by way of consequence;
and being vainly passed up with Self-conceit, it dares outface all Authority. Other Sins fight against the Church, not directly, but by Way of consequence;
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then of all the oppositions of forraigne enemies, that seek to bring her into bondage. Tis a maxime agreed upon by weeping crosse that contention goes before destruction:
then of all the oppositions of foreign enemies, that seek to bring her into bondage. This a maxim agreed upon by weeping cross that contention Goes before destruction:
and if the Church of God be divided against her selfe by sundry factions, and her children like a rowted disordered Army begin to fall upon their own fellows, what priviledge have we more then others against the generall sentence of our Saviour.
and if the Church of God be divided against her self by sundry factions, and her children like a rowted disordered Army begin to fallen upon their own Fellows, what privilege have we more then Others against the general sentence of our Saviour.
Optatus said of the factions of the Donatists, that were not much unlike to these contentions, that betwixtour yea, and your nay, the cause of Religion lyes a bleeding;
Optatus said of the factions of the Donatists, that were not much unlike to these contentions, that betwixtour yea, and your nay, the cause of Religion lies a bleeding;
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so the poore Church being suspected and forsaken on both sides, is faine to complaine with the Prophet Ieremie: Woe is mee, that ever I was made the cause of contention.
so the poor Church being suspected and forsaken on both sides, is feign to complain with the Prophet Ieremie: Woe is me, that ever I was made the cause of contention.
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We cannot chuse but see, unlesse wee wilfully shut our eyes, how much our adversaries are enriched by these contentions: how many good professors upon these grounds have leapt aside into the tents of Popery:
We cannot choose but see, unless we wilfully shut our eyes, how much our Adversaries Are enriched by these contentions: how many good professors upon these grounds have leapt aside into the tents of Popery:
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and which is most to be lamented, many a faithfull and learned Prelate that should be counted worthy of double honour, is traduced as a favourer of Popish tyranny,
and which is most to be lamented, many a faithful and learned Prelate that should be counted worthy of double honour, is traduced as a favourer of Popish tyranny,
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Oh, that the Church should suffer martyrdome in a heape of vaine unnecessary quarrells! Have we not quarrells enough against the Church of Rome for her Purgatory, and Transubstantiation,
O, that the Church should suffer martyrdom in a heap of vain unnecessary quarrels! Have we not quarrels enough against the Church of Rome for her Purgatory, and Transubstantiation,
and shall we differ about the trimming? are wee agreed about the freehold, and shall wee quarrell about the bounds? Away with those unkinde, unhappy contentions that procure the losse and shame of both sides, If there be any joy,
and shall we differ about the trimming? Are we agreed about the freehold, and shall we quarrel about the bounds? Away with those unkind, unhappy contentions that procure the loss and shame of both sides, If there be any joy,
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Tis a shame to be seene in any quarrell against a ceremony, yet some ceremonies there are among the rest so nearely concerning the honour of God, that a wilfull and stubborne opposition cannot choose but aggravate and increase the fault.
This a shame to be seen in any quarrel against a ceremony, yet Some ceremonies there Are among the rest so nearly Concerning the honour of God, that a wilful and stubborn opposition cannot choose but aggravate and increase the fault.
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The very Apostles of Christ had a hand themselves in this holy custome; for among some other orders composed by them for the furtherance and decoration of Gods service, they ordained this rule for all the Churches, that the men when they came to prayer or prophecie should uncover their heads,
The very Apostles of christ had a hand themselves in this holy custom; for among Some other order composed by them for the furtherance and decoration of God's service, they ordained this Rule for all the Churches, that the men when they Come to prayer or prophecy should uncover their Heads,
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yea some there be that give the reason of that Canon, that the late converted Christians might not fashion themselves to the customes of the Heathens, where the men were wont to sacrifice with their heads covered,
yea Some there be that give the reason of that Canon, that the late converted Christians might not fashion themselves to the customs of the heathens, where the men were wont to sacrifice with their Heads covered,
Whatsoever the reason were, I am sure of this, that the one member at least of that reverend order, that I mean that concernes the men, is so fully ratifyed and confirmed by the Canon of our Church, that no man may presume to cover his head during the whole time of divine Service, without the breach of Church order.
Whatsoever the reason were, I am sure of this, that the one member At least of that reverend order, that I mean that concerns the men, is so Fully ratified and confirmed by the Canon of our Church, that no man may presume to cover his head during the Whole time of divine Service, without the breach of Church order.
But for the men, at least some of them in some places, where they have beene traind in a course of schisme, they are so loath to stoop to this Apostolique order, that the Church is fain to interpose her power to bind thē to it by a double bond.
But for the men, At least Some of them in Some places, where they have been trained in a course of Schism, they Are so loath to stoop to this Apostolic order, that the Church is fain to interpose her power to bind them to it by a double bound.
and that in the sense and meaning of our own Apostle, I desire to know how the same Apostle in the next words immediately following could apply the same words of praying and prophesying as well to the women as the men, when they were not allowed by his own rule either to speak or preach in the congregation?
and that in the sense and meaning of our own Apostle, I desire to know how the same Apostle in the next words immediately following could apply the same words of praying and prophesying as well to the women as the men, when they were not allowed by his own Rule either to speak or preach in the congregation?
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And what of that? will any man deny them a binding power for the time being while they are allowed by the present Church, because the Church hath power to change when time and place shall so require? no surely,
And what of that? will any man deny them a binding power for the time being while they Are allowed by the present Church, Because the Church hath power to change when time and place shall so require? no surely,
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and seeing this custome is allowed as you heard before, and that under the seale of our owne Church, let no man presume to strive against it as long as it stands so allowed,
and seeing this custom is allowed as you herd before, and that under the seal of our own Church, let no man presume to strive against it as long as it Stands so allowed,
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Perhaps you may say, this Apostolique Canon may not be sutable to these times, for the Apostle seems to allow no covering at all, & if that should be strictly observed in this crazie age, we should soone make the Churchyard full, and the Church empty. Well, be it so:
Perhaps you may say, this Apostolic Canon may not be suitable to these times, for the Apostle seems to allow not covering At all, & if that should be strictly observed in this crazy age, we should soon make the Churchyard full, and the Church empty. Well, be it so:
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and make use of a coyfe or nightcap in stead of a hat (as our Church hath dispenced with the Apostles rule) in case of weaknesse and infirmity, we shall never incur the Apostles censure,
and make use of a coif or nightcap in stead of a hat (as our Church hath dispensed with the Apostles Rule) in case of weakness and infirmity, we shall never incur the Apostles censure,
But the most of our people for ought I see are ready to uncover in the time of prayer, onely they stick at the strictnesse of some that require the baring of the head in the time of preaching: belike they are willing to shew reverence when they speak unto God by their earnest prayers,
But the most of our people for ought I see Are ready to uncover in the time of prayer, only they stick At the strictness of Some that require the baring of the head in the time of preaching: belike they Are willing to show Reverence when they speak unto God by their earnest Prayers,
as wee would crave it when tis wanting? Saint Paul for his part makes no odds betwixt prayer and prophesie: and if any man think that the Canon of the Church will not reach to both because it mentions no more but the whole service, let him please to compare the words of the Canon to the rubrick of the service book, and he shall finde that the Sermon or exhortation is no other but a part of divine Service.
as we would crave it when this wanting? Saint Paul for his part makes no odds betwixt prayer and prophesy: and if any man think that the Canon of the Church will not reach to both Because it mentions not more but the Whole service, let him please to compare the words of the Canon to the rubric of the service book, and he shall find that the Sermon or exhortation is no other but a part of divine Service.
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yet when the thing it selfe is charged upon us by the Apostle, and the superstition is brought upon it by the fault of men, we must not presume for the fault of men to stir a duty of Saint Pauls prescribing,
yet when the thing it self is charged upon us by the Apostle, and the Superstition is brought upon it by the fault of men, we must not presume for the fault of men to stir a duty of Saint Paul's prescribing,
and if the baring of the head in the house of God during the time of divine service be not a signe of holy reverence, I am yet to learne what reverence meanes.
and if the baring of the head in the house of God during the time of divine service be not a Signen of holy Reverence, I am yet to Learn what Reverence means.
Did the wise King give it in charge, that wee should looke to our feet when we enter into Gods house, and is there no regard to be had to our heads? Was Moses commanded to put off his shoes when he appeared before the Lord, and doe we thinke much to put off our hatts? Did the Philistims give so much unto Dagon, and the Syrians so much to their god Rimmon, and cannot wee afford as much as they, to the great Creator of heaven and earth?
Did the wise King give it in charge, that we should look to our feet when we enter into God's house, and is there no regard to be had to our Heads? Was Moses commanded to put off his shoes when he appeared before the Lord, and do we think much to put off our hats? Did the philistines give so much unto Dagon, and the Syrians so much to their god Rimmon, and cannot we afford as much as they, to the great Creator of heaven and earth?
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Let me aske the question with divine Salvian, Wherefore do ye come to the house of God, if you shew no more regard to his holy ordinances? Doe ye come to pacifie and asswage his wrath,
Let me ask the question with divine Salvian, Wherefore do you come to the house of God, if you show no more regard to his holy ordinances? Do you come to pacify and assuage his wrath,
and dishonour him too? To sue for his favour, and set a barre against his favour? Wilt thou presume to offer unto God that surly service, which thou wouldst take in scorne from thine owne servant? Must God take that for an honour to himselfe, which thou thy selfe wouldst take for a foule dishonour? Must he account it a pacification, which thou thy selfe wouldst take for a provocation? Away with such a proud and sawcy submission, away with such a rude, unmannerly service;
and dishonour him too? To sue for his favour, and Set a bar against his favour? Wilt thou presume to offer unto God that surly service, which thou Wouldst take in scorn from thine own servant? Must God take that for an honour to himself, which thou thy self Wouldst take for a foul dishonour? Must he account it a pacification, which thou thy self Wouldst take for a provocation? Away with such a proud and saucy submission, away with such a rude, unmannerly service;
let it never be laid to the reformed Churches, that wee have chosen to our selves an easie and slovenly kinde of service, to the shame and dishonour of religion:
let it never be laid to the reformed Churches, that we have chosen to our selves an easy and slovenly kind of service, to the shame and dishonour of Religion:
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Shee hath done what she can for the honour and reverence of her husband, for shee hath made a law to binde her children, shee hath practised that law in the godly examples of her governours, she hath censured the breach of it in some of her stubborne and rebellious children;
She hath done what she can for the honour and Reverence of her husband, for she hath made a law to bind her children, she hath practised that law in the godly Examples of her Governors, she hath censured the breach of it in Some of her stubborn and rebellious children;
and now could we search a little further, and find out the author of this quarrell, we might do a gracious worke to the Church of God, to draw the pedigree of Contention.
and now could we search a little further, and find out the author of this quarrel, we might do a gracious work to the Church of God, to draw the pedigree of Contention.
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That some notorious schismatique began this quarrell, we may easily judge by S. Pauls ( Si quis ) no famous schisme ever began without some head and ringleader of the faction,
That Some notorious schismatic began this quarrel, we may Easily judge by S. Paul's (Si quis) no famous Schism ever began without Some head and ringleader of the faction,
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All the title he gives him here is ( contentiosus, a contentious man, ) to teach us that whosoever strives against the orders of the Church, specially those that tend to reverence, hee may enjoy the name of a contentious man, and must not look for a better title.
All the title he gives him Here is (contentiosus, a contentious man,) to teach us that whosoever strives against the order of the Church, specially those that tend to Reverence, he may enjoy the name of a contentious man, and must not look for a better title.
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for when the Church allowes a coife or nightcay in case of weaknesse and infirmity, and men, shall wilfully refuse to enjoy that favour, to pick a quarrell with the Church of God; what Advocate will undertake to plead their cause that they may not stand upon record for contentious men?
for when the Church allows a coif or nightcay in case of weakness and infirmity, and men, shall wilfully refuse to enjoy that favour, to pick a quarrel with the Church of God; what Advocate will undertake to plead their cause that they may not stand upon record for contentious men?
I should be loath to say that the bare omission of this order, or any other should conclude a man to be contentious; Nay, S. Paul himselfe doth not goe so farre, till he had shewed the ground of this holy order:
I should be loath to say that the bore omission of this order, or any other should conclude a man to be contentious; Nay, S. Paul himself does not go so Far, till he had showed the ground of this holy order:
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but if any shall wilfully oppose themselves after lawfull warning and instruction, then we have our warrant from the blessed Apostle to write them downe for contentious men.
but if any shall wilfully oppose themselves After lawful warning and instruction, then we have our warrant from the blessed Apostle to write them down for contentious men.
Where this love of contention is, there is much transgression, Nay there is a whole swarme of ugly vices, there is envy, there is pride, there is tumult, there is malice, there is revenge, there is murther, there is sedition, there is treason, there is schisme, there is heresie, there is all things;
Where this love of contention is, there is much Transgression, Nay there is a Whole swarm of ugly vices, there is envy, there is pride, there is tumult, there is malice, there is revenge, there is murder, there is sedition, there is treason, there is Schism, there is heresy, there is all things;
the Apostle is so well acquainted with all the neighborhood, that in the compasse of two verses he makes it shake hands with schisme and heresie, as if they both tooke head from the love of contention.
the Apostle is so well acquainted with all the neighbourhood, that in the compass of two Verses he makes it shake hands with Schism and heresy, as if they both took head from the love of contention.
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and when they suffer in that cause, they thinke they suffer as a Christian: but S. Paul that was better acquainted with the nature of schisme, is bold to rank it with the foulest sinnes that can be named, Adultery, Murther, Idolatry, Witchcraft, and such like; and S. Augustine will tell us,
and when they suffer in that cause, they think they suffer as a Christian: but S. Paul that was better acquainted with the nature of Schism, is bold to rank it with the Foulest Sins that can be nam, Adultery, Murder, Idolatry, Witchcraft, and such like; and S. Augustine will tell us,
if wee can beleeve him, that when it is put on with wilfull violence, and maintained with heat of pharisaicall pride, it proves no lesser sinne in the sight of God,
if we can believe him, that when it is put on with wilful violence, and maintained with heat of pharisaical pride, it Proves no lesser sin in the sighed of God,
If you are not stirred with the danger of schism that borders so neare upon the love of contention; what doe you thinke of the nature of heresie that is commonly entailed to the sin of schisme?
If you Are not stirred with the danger of Schism that borders so near upon the love of contention; what do you think of the nature of heresy that is commonly entailed to the since of Schism?
Surely the Apostle had never coupled heresies and schismes both together, but that he knew well enough that schisme is nothing else but a greene heresie newly hatcht in the Church of God,
Surely the Apostle had never coupled heresies and schisms both together, but that he knew well enough that Schism is nothing Else but a green heresy newly hatched in the Church of God,
Though every contentious man bee neither a schismatick, nor an heretick, yet he hath a disposition to be made both, he runnes so fierce upon a full carere of headstrong passion,
Though every contentious man be neither a schismatic, nor an heretic, yet he hath a disposition to be made both, he runs so fierce upon a full career of headstrong passion,
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No man becomes an hereticke on a suddaine, but windes into it by certaine steps; and loe the staires are set by the blessed Apostle: First contention, in this verse;
No man becomes an heretic on a sudden, but winds into it by certain steps; and lo the stairs Are Set by the blessed Apostle: First contention, in this verse;
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then schisme in the 18. then heresie in the 19. to teach us that if we desire to avoid heresie, we must first begin to cut off schisme, and if we desire to flye the danger of schisme, wee must first begin to strike at contention.
then Schism in the 18. then heresy in the 19. to teach us that if we desire to avoid heresy, we must First begin to Cut off Schism, and if we desire to fly the danger of Schism, we must First begin to strike At contention.
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If discord arise betwixt man and man, let it never incroach upon Gods inheritance, Behold how good and joyfull it is brethren to live together in unity:
If discord arise betwixt man and man, let it never encroach upon God's inheritance, Behold how good and joyful it is brothers to live together in unity:
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one to speake for peace, another to labour for peace, another to fight for peace, another to pray for peace, that so by the blessing of God upon our joynt endeavours, we may live to see the happy greeting and salutation of the Psalmist, to the joy and comfort of all our hearts.
one to speak for peace, Another to labour for peace, Another to fight for peace, Another to pray for peace, that so by the blessing of God upon our joint endeavours, we may live to see the happy greeting and salutation of the Psalmist, to the joy and Comfort of all our hearts.
Mercy and truth shall meet together, righteousnesse and peace have kissed each other. Truth shall bud ont of the earth, and righteousnesse shall look downe from heaven:
Mercy and truth shall meet together, righteousness and peace have kissed each other. Truth shall bud Onto of the earth, and righteousness shall look down from heaven:
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The Lord shall shew his loving kindnesse, and our land shall give her increase: Righteousnesse shall goe before him, and he shall direct our goings in the way. Even so be it: Lord say Amen.
The Lord shall show his loving kindness, and our land shall give her increase: Righteousness shall go before him, and he shall Direct our goings in the Way. Even so be it: Lord say Amen.
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and being now pressed againe upon the same service, I thought my selfe directed and led by the hand to the further explanation of the same Scripture, that as I spake before you at that time of the contentions. of the Church that let themselves against the customes, so now I may speak before you of the Churches customes, that strenuously oppose against contention.
and being now pressed again upon the same service, I Thought my self directed and led by the hand to the further explanation of the same Scripture, that as I spoke before you At that time of the contentions. of the Church that let themselves against the customs, so now I may speak before you of the Churches customs, that strenuously oppose against contention.
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What I then delivered concerning contention, I will not call to your mind againe, I desire that custome being defendant may have a fair and legall hearing,
What I then Delivered Concerning contention, I will not call to your mind again, I desire that custom being defendant may have a fair and Legal hearing,
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for my part I confesse I know of none, neither doe I speak to gall any, I did but onely put a case as S. Paul does, (and a meere supposition inferrs nothing) but if any be,
for my part I confess I know of none, neither do I speak to Gall any, I did but only put a case as S. Paul does, (and a mere supposition infers nothing) but if any be,
for none of these hath Saint Paul omitted, and if all this be not able to perswade (for who can perswade a contentious man, you shall not perswade though you doe perswade, not perswade his practice I meane,
for none of these hath Saint Paul omitted, and if all this be not able to persuade (for who can persuade a contentious man, you shall not persuade though you do persuade, not persuade his practice I mean,
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though you perswade and convict his conscience) then you must beare him downe with the Churches custome, and tell him plainly to his face that the customes of the Church must stand in force maugre the spight of contentious men.
though you persuade and convict his conscience) then you must bear him down with the Churches custom, and tell him plainly to his face that the customs of the Church must stand in force maugre the spite of contentious men.
but lest I may be thought to presse the custome before I have taught you to understand the custome, you shall give mee leave to speak something concerning the theorie of the custome, that so I may rise with the more force to the practice and observation of the custome.
but lest I may be Thought to press the custom before I have taught you to understand the custom, you shall give me leave to speak something Concerning the theory of the custom, that so I may rise with the more force to the practice and observation of the custom.
While I entreat of Church order, me thinks I am bound to keep order, and because the nature of the subject will scarce afford any quaint order, I will content my selfe with a plaine method.
While I entreat of Church order, me thinks I am bound to keep order, and Because the nature of the Subject will scarce afford any quaint order, I will content my self with a plain method.
Three things there be that offer themselves. 1. The use of the Church in having of customes. 2. The right of the Church in making of customes. 3. The power of the Church in pressing of customes.
Three things there be that offer themselves. 1. The use of the Church in having of customs. 2. The right of the Church in making of customs. 3. The power of the Church in pressing of customs.
all matters of rite and outward ceremony annexed to the preaching of the Word and administration of the Sacraments, not as parts of Gods holy worship,
all matters of rite and outward ceremony annexed to the preaching of the Word and administration of the Sacraments, not as parts of God's holy worship,
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Such were the customes of the Church of Corinth, and such customes as these were about time and place, and outward gesture, whether it be kneeling, standing, bowing, crossing, uncovering, or whatsoever else of the same alloy,
Such were the customs of the Church of Corinth, and such customs as these were about time and place, and outward gesture, whither it be kneeling, standing, bowing, crossing, uncovering, or whatsoever Else of the same alloy,
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yet withall hee seemes to imply by way of concession, that they had some customes of another kind, which he would not suffer to be borne downe, by the heat of wilfull opposition.
yet withal he seems to imply by Way of concession, that they had Some customs of Another kind, which he would not suffer to be born down, by the heat of wilful opposition.
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as of many. And if the Churches in the purest times had all their customes, and those in the Apostles time their customes to, I wonder why the Churches in these times,
as of many. And if the Churches in the Purest times had all their customs, and those in the Apostles time their customs to, I wonder why the Churches in these times,
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and their jewels in the nonage and childhood of religion, and must they now be stript of all in the growth and ripenesse of the gospell? Alas poore mother, what hast thou done to be so shamefully used of thine own children? alas good children, what doe you meane to offer such wrong to your deare mother? Did David bring a scorne upon his person when hee uncovered himselfe before his subjects, and would not you bring a scorne upon your mother if you should uncover her shame before all her children? Did Cato Vtican draw a scorne upon his justice when hee went to his pretorian seat without his robes,
and their Jewels in the nonage and childhood of Religion, and must they now be stripped of all in the growth and ripeness of the gospel? Alas poor mother, what hast thou done to be so shamefully used of thine own children? alas good children, what do you mean to offer such wrong to your deer mother? Did David bring a scorn upon his person when he uncovered himself before his subject's, and would not you bring a scorn upon your mother if you should uncover her shame before all her children? Did Cato Vtican draw a scorn upon his Justice when he went to his praetorian seat without his robes,
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it is not the custome she regards so much as your obedience to the custome: and if you be so stiffe and cruell to your mother, that she may not enjoy her ancient customes, why should she allow your ancient discipline (as you call it) which you can never demand upon better warrant? You say the Apostles had the Discipline, but we are sure of this, they had the customes, and if you seeke to rob us of those rites which we know the Apostles once delivered,
it is not the custom she regards so much as your Obedience to the custom: and if you be so stiff and cruel to your mother, that she may not enjoy her ancient customs, why should she allow your ancient discipline (as you call it) which you can never demand upon better warrant? You say the Apostles had the Discipline, but we Are sure of this, they had the customs, and if you seek to rob us of those Rites which we know the Apostles once Delivered,
why should we give way to your new pretended forme of Geneva discipline, which I doubt the Apostles never heard of? Shew us that warrant for your discipline, as wee have shewed you for our customes, and wee shall have cause to hearken to you:
why should we give Way to your new pretended Form of Geneva discipline, which I doubt the Apostles never herd of? Show us that warrant for your discipline, as we have showed you for our customs, and we shall have cause to harken to you:
but presently he begins to examine our Patent, and to renew the question of those Priests and Elders, Qua potestate? By what authoritie doe you these things,
but presently he begins to examine our Patent, and to renew the question of those Priests and Elders, Qua potestate? By what Authority do you these things,
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The Church I trow will doe nothing without a warrant, and if shee have that warrant from her husband, bequeathed unto her in his Testament, reade us the Will and it sufficeth;
The Church I trow will do nothing without a warrant, and if she have that warrant from her husband, bequeathed unto her in his Testament, read us the Will and it Suffices;
But if shee take her power from the will of man, or from the favour of Princes, or from the authoritie of her governours; then you must give us leave to put in a caveat,
But if she take her power from the will of man, or from the favour of Princes, or from the Authority of her Governors; then you must give us leave to put in a caveat,
Loe this is the plea of all the sectaries in the world, [ Shew us your ceremonies in the word of God and we shall be willing to obey ] and it prevailes the more with many a man,
Loe this is the plea of all the sectaries in the world, [ Show us your ceremonies in the word of God and we shall be willing to obey ] and it prevails the more with many a man,
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but if it appeare upon just tryall that the word of God (with honour and reverence be it spoken) was never constituted as the judge for the speciall designation of particular ceremonies;
but if it appear upon just trial that the word of God (with honour and Reverence be it spoken) was never constituted as the judge for the special designation of particular ceremonies;
I know well that it is the priviledge of the Scripture to bee the onely rule of faith and manners, and it was the only scope of the holy Apostles to leave a perfect record of all those things that might essentially conduce to our salvation:
I know well that it is the privilege of the Scripture to be the only Rule of faith and manners, and it was the only scope of the holy Apostles to leave a perfect record of all those things that might essentially conduce to our salvation:
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For other accidentall adventitious circumstances that were no part of the service of God, but onely an ornament to the service, it seemed not good to the Spirit of God that they should passe by the same Patent.
For other accidental adventitious Circumstances that were no part of the service of God, but only an ornament to the service, it seemed not good to the Spirit of God that they should pass by the same Patent.
Well may they passe in generall tearmes (as many things are conveyed in every deed under the name of the appurtenances) but they are never expressed in that gracious Patent by any speciall intimation.
Well may they pass in general terms (as many things Are conveyed in every deed under the name of the appurtenances) but they Are never expressed in that gracious Patent by any special intimation.
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Well may they belong to those traditions which the Apostle delivered by word of mouth, but they can be no part of that holy tradition which he delivered to the Church by his written Epistle.
Well may they belong to those traditions which the Apostle Delivered by word of Mouth, but they can be no part of that holy tradition which he Delivered to the Church by his written Epistle.
Well may you referre them to those rituall orders which our Apostle promised to compose when he came to Corinth, but you cannot referre them to that heavenly doctrine of which the Apostle sayes a little before;
Well may you refer them to those ritual order which our Apostle promised to compose when he Come to Corinth, but you cannot refer them to that heavenly Doctrine of which the Apostle Says a little before;
The truth is, all that I can finde in the new Testament concerning ceremonies, is nothing else but a generall warrant, that you have in expresse tearmes: 1 Car. 14.40. That all things bee done decently, and According to order;
The truth is, all that I can find in the new Testament Concerning ceremonies, is nothing Else but a general warrant, that you have in express terms: 1 Car. 14.40. That all things be done decently, and According to order;
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but for the speciall practisie and application of this order; whether this or that be more agreeable to the rule, there the word is so mute and ••lent, that you 〈 ◊ 〉 finde the least title.
but for the special practisie and application of this order; whither this or that be more agreeable to the Rule, there the word is so mute and ••lent, that you 〈 ◊ 〉 find the least title.
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Cartwright himselfe, the great scourge of all our customes, while hee seekes to binde us to the speciall warrant of the word for all particulars, is forced to confesse for the Iewish Church, that shee had many and sundry customes, at least twenty for our one, about sacrificing, and preaching, and burying, and marrying, and fasting, &c. which were no where expressed in the law of Moses.
Cartwright himself, the great scourge of all our customs, while he seeks to bind us to the special warrant of the word for all particulars, is forced to confess for the Jewish Church, that she had many and sundry customs, At least twenty for our one, about sacrificing, and preaching, and burying, and marrying, and fasting, etc. which were no where expressed in the law of Moses.
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Tertullian for his part is resolute and peremptory upon his own knowledge, that for matter of rite and outward order, Si legem expost••es scriptu••r 〈 ◊ 〉 i•venies nu••am:
Tertullian for his part is resolute and peremptory upon his own knowledge, that for matter of rite and outward order, Si legem expost••es scriptu••r 〈 ◊ 〉 i•venies nu••am:
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Where can you finde in the holy Scriptures that we ought to pray standing on the Lords day? yet that was the custome of the ancients for a certaine season, to preserve the memory of the resurrection.
Where can you find in the holy Scriptures that we ought to pray standing on the lords day? yet that was the custom of the ancients for a certain season, to preserve the memory of the resurrection.
Where can you shew in the word of God that we ought to communicate every day? yet that was the use in the ancient Church, to keep the memory of the passion.
Where can you show in the word of God that we ought to communicate every day? yet that was the use in the ancient Church, to keep the memory of the passion.
Where doe you reade in the word of God that you ought to receive the Communion fasting? yet that was the universal custom of all the Church in Saint Augustines time, to preserve the honour of the blessed Sacrament.
Where do you read in the word of God that you ought to receive the Communion fasting? yet that was the universal custom of all the Church in Faint Augustine's time, to preserve the honour of the blessed Sacrament.
To be short, if you think the letter of the word be so requisite to every custome, you were best to survey the writings of the Apostles, and see what order you can find for standing holydayes: what speciall warrant for set fasts upon certaine dayes: what expresse charge to keep the first day of the week for the Christian Sabbath:
To be short, if you think the Letter of the word be so requisite to every custom, you were best to survey the writings of the Apostles, and see what order you can find for standing holidays: what special warrant for Set fasts upon certain days: what express charge to keep the First day of the Week for the Christian Sabbath:
and if every of these have been held by custome, being onely grounded upon the generall warrant of the Scriptures, and deduced from thence by good consequence without any speciall intimation,
and if every of these have been held by custom, being only grounded upon the general warrant of the Scriptures, and deduced from thence by good consequence without any special intimation,
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If the speciall warrant of the Word be so necessary, you were best to blame the Apostles of Christ, because they forgot to entreat of particular rites:
If the special warrant of the Word be so necessary, you were best to blame the Apostles of christ, Because they forgotten to entreat of particular Rites:
He knew well enough that the Church was subject to waxes and wanes, to fulls and changes, and vicissitudes; and therefore as a rare and cunning workman can hardly make a garment for the moone,
He knew well enough that the Church was Subject to Waxes and wanes, to fulls and changes, and vicissitudes; and Therefore as a rare and cunning workman can hardly make a garment for the moon,
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as Plutarch notes, that should equally fit her at all seasons, as well in the new as in the full, no more could the Apostles judge any one form of unchangeable custome to be agreeable to all times and the various conditions of all people.
as Plutarch notes, that should equally fit her At all seasons, as well in the new as in the full, no more could the Apostles judge any one from of unchangeable custom to be agreeable to all times and the various conditions of all people.
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and seeing the word is silent concerning ceremonies, and speaks nothing of them in explicite termes, where may we looke for a certaine direction and resolution in that case,
and seeing the word is silent Concerning ceremonies, and speaks nothing of them in explicit terms, where may we look for a certain direction and resolution in that case,
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That this was the generall judgement of all the Churches in all ages, if any man doubt, let him reade the Canons of the Councels: for why should the Councels be called together to order the government of the Church, and to settle the forme of outward discipline,
That this was the general judgement of all the Churches in all ages, if any man doubt, let him read the Canonas of the Counsels: for why should the Counsels be called together to order the government of the Church, and to settle the Form of outward discipline,
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for besides the judgement of Beza, Bucer, Zuinglius, Chemnitius, Peter Martyr, and generally all the Worthies of these latter times that freely allow it with one consent, you shall take the opinion of Calvin, one for all, who sets it down for a certaine rule upon the light he drew from this present Cap. that every Church of what place soever may safely compose such a forme of discipline,
for beside the judgement of Beza, Bucer, Zwingli, Chemnitz, Peter Martyr, and generally all the Worthies of these latter times that freely allow it with one consent, you shall take the opinion of calvin, one for all, who sets it down for a certain Rule upon the Light he drew from this present Cap. that every Church of what place soever may safely compose such a Form of discipline,
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because they nor the Churches had none such, what doth he but inferre by way of consequence, that the practice of the Church; and determination of her Pastors, is warrant enough for any ceremony.
Because they nor the Churches had none such, what does he but infer by Way of consequence, that the practice of the Church; and determination of her Pastors, is warrant enough for any ceremony.
It makes me wonder the more, and who doth not wonder at the froward humour of some peevish Novelists, that think all the practice of the Church in things indifferent, to be nothing else but usurpation, and all her decent and reverend customes that serve for the furtherance of GODs service to bee nothing else but a meere wilworship.
It makes me wonder the more, and who does not wonder At the froward humour of Some peevish Novelists, that think all the practice of the Church in things indifferent, to be nothing Else but usurpation, and all her decent and reverend customs that serve for the furtherance of God's service to be nothing Else but a mere Idol worship.
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Their spight is so great against the present government, because it crosses their selfe-will'd humours, that they will scarce allow that power to the Church in the meanest things, that every Church-warden and meane Artificer would soon challenge,
Their spite is so great against the present government, Because it Crosses their self-willed humours, that they will scarce allow that power to the Church in the Meanest things, that every Churchwarden and mean Artificer would soon challenge,
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But well fare the good and courteous Samaritan; he was not halfe so strait to the good Inkeeper when he gave him the care of the wounded traveller in the Gospell,
But well fare the good and courteous Samaritan; he was not half so strait to the good Innkeeper when he gave him the care of the wounded traveller in the Gospel,
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so willing was he to enlarge his favour, that beside the two pence hee left to discharge the reckoning, hee gave him leave to spend more, and to runne upon the score till his next returne.
so willing was he to enlarge his favour, that beside the two pence he left to discharge the reckoning, he gave him leave to spend more, and to run upon the score till his next return.
In necessary expences for food or physick wee need not spend above our two pence: in points of faith and works of supererrogation, we must not spend above our allowance:
In necessary expenses for food or physic we need not spend above our two pence: in points of faith and works of supererogation, we must not spend above our allowance:
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perhaps we may spend somewhat more to advance the honour of the good Samaritan: and if we spend the overplus in his honour for the furtherance and advancement of his service, I make no doubt when he comes againe to take the account of all our expences, he will not stick to allow the overplus, with an ego reddam, I will pay it.
perhaps we may spend somewhat more to advance the honour of the good Samaritan: and if we spend the overplus in his honour for the furtherance and advancement of his service, I make no doubt when he comes again to take the account of all our expenses, he will not stick to allow the overplus, with an ego reddam, I will pay it.
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But they may chance to say, this faire allowance given to the Church, may make too much for the Church of Rome, that makes the voice of the Church, the voice of God,
But they may chance to say, this fair allowance given to the Church, may make too much for the Church of Rome, that makes the voice of the Church, the voice of God,
And what if some offend in excesse and lavishnesse, must we therefore offend in defect and want? what if they give the Church too much, must we give too little or nothing at all? what if they straine the power of the Church, even to points of doctrine, and articles of faith, shall wee abridge and scant her power, that shee may not reach to points of discipline? Nay rather let the Scripture enjoy her right in matter of faith, and the Church her interest in matter of custome: that's a priviledge given to the Scripture, this a permission left unto the Church: He that is Lord of all, may doe what he will with his owne goods, whether hee give more or lesse to the sacred Scripture, what is it to thee, Sume quod tuum est, & vade.
And what if Some offend in excess and lavishness, must we Therefore offend in defect and want? what if they give the Church too much, must we give too little or nothing At all? what if they strain the power of the Church, even to points of Doctrine, and Articles of faith, shall we abridge and scant her power, that she may not reach to points of discipline? Nay rather let the Scripture enjoy her right in matter of faith, and the Church her Interest in matter of custom: that's a privilege given to the Scripture, this a permission left unto the Church: He that is Lord of all, may do what he will with his own goods, whither he give more or less to the sacred Scripture, what is it to thee, Fume quod tuum est, & vade.
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O Church, take thine owne, and go thy way, thou hast power enough to use a ceremony, thou hast power enough to make a ceremony; let us now proceed a little further,
O Church, take thine own, and go thy Way, thou hast power enough to use a ceremony, thou hast power enough to make a ceremony; let us now proceed a little further,
when they could not be of many yeeres standing, what power may belong unto them in these latter times, being now confirmed by long use, whereby they are become the more a custome?
when they could not be of many Years standing, what power may belong unto them in these latter times, being now confirmed by long use, whereby they Are become the more a custom?
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as being not determined by the written laws, of that nature are your Wayes, and Mounds, and fines, and quitrents, and suits, and services, and commons, and releefes, and heriots, and 1000. more of the like kinde, that must be judged by the custome, because the Law therein hath prescribed no certainty;
as being not determined by the written laws, of that nature Are your Ways, and Mounds, and fines, and quitrents, and suits, and services, and commons, and reliefs, and heriots, and 1000. more of the like kind, that must be judged by the custom, Because the Law therein hath prescribed no certainty;
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The Lord foresaw in his owne wisdome that such injurious customes were like to grow upon his owne law, and therefore he makes provision aforehand, that if any had a minde to buy out their tithes for ready mony, they should yeeld a fifth part over and above the reall value of the thing redeemed, to prevent ungodly compositions.
The Lord foresaw in his own Wisdom that such injurious customs were like to grow upon his own law, and Therefore he makes provision aforehand, that if any had a mind to buy out their Tithes for ready money, they should yield a fifth part over and above the real valve of the thing redeemed, to prevent ungodly compositions.
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If any custome or composition of these times shall freely allow that fifth part over, well may they hold and enjoy their customes, but if they come short of that proportion,
If any custom or composition of these times shall freely allow that fifth part over, well may they hold and enjoy their customs, but if they come short of that proportion,
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Such customes as these in their owne nature, as being delivered to us by word of mouth, beside the warrant of the word, are much alike to some Romish traditions, which our adversaries seeke to obtrude upon us:
Such customs as these in their own nature, as being Delivered to us by word of Mouth, beside the warrant of the word, Are much alike to Some Romish traditions, which our Adversaries seek to obtrude upon us:
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but the customes of the Church, that serve for the furtherance of devotion, if you please to beleeve Mr. Calvin himselfe, are not only humane, but also divine, and so may the better be stood upon.
but the customs of the Church, that serve for the furtherance of devotion, if you please to believe Mr. calvin himself, Are not only humane, but also divine, and so may the better be stood upon.
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and if it be liked of the most and better part, wee must not alter a Law so generally allowed, to give content to a few humorists, that will hardly bee pleased with any Law.
and if it be liked of the most and better part, we must not altar a Law so generally allowed, to give content to a few humorists, that will hardly be pleased with any Law.
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It may be some may urge further, if your customes were such as the Apostle stands upon, none would deny them a binding power. Those it seems were framed by the Apostles, and generally allowed by all the Churches; and if it were not so indeed, Saint Paul had never implyed so much by his (nos habemus, & Ecclesiae Dei) we have them, and the Churches of God:
It may be Some may urge further, if your customs were such as the Apostle Stands upon, none would deny them a binding power. Those it seems were framed by the Apostles, and generally allowed by all the Churches; and if it were not so indeed, Saint Paul had never employed so much by his (nos habemus, & Ecclesiae Dei) we have them, and the Churches of God:
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whensoever you make it appeare that any of your customes were either delivered by the Apostles, or universally received of all the Churches, you shall finde us ready to subscribe without more adoe, that we may not be thought to be contentious.
whensoever you make it appear that any of your customs were either Delivered by the Apostles, or universally received of all the Churches, you shall find us ready to subscribe without more ado, that we may not be Thought to be contentious.
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I heare St. Ambrose complaine in his time, that the Churches had swarved from the Apostolique customes; and Waldensis likewise in his time, that the Apostolique traditions could hardly be discerned from such as were meerely ecclesiasticall: yet if the rule of Saint Augustine goe for current,
I hear Saint Ambrose complain in his time, that the Churches had swerved from the Apostolic customs; and Waldensis likewise in his time, that the Apostolic traditions could hardly be discerned from such as were merely ecclesiastical: yet if the Rule of Saint Augustine go for current,
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when antiquity and universality meet both together in the same custome, they give such credit and countenance to the practice of the Church, that no man can refuse to joyne with us without suspition of distraction.
when antiquity and universality meet both together in the same custom, they give such credit and countenance to the practice of the Church, that no man can refuse to join with us without suspicion of distraction.
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and seeing wee have the same power in things indifferent, the same I say to frame a custome, the same if need be to change a custome, let not us dispute any more either of the novelty or particularity of the custome, but readily submit to the Churches order without any further disputation.
and seeing we have the same power in things indifferent, the same I say to frame a custom, the same if need be to change a custom, let not us dispute any more either of the novelty or particularity of the custom, but readily submit to the Churches order without any further disputation.
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but when the rule is once setled, there is no further place for disputation: a simple obedience without any speciall inquisition, in such a case, is most absolute:
but when the Rule is once settled, there is no further place for disputation: a simple Obedience without any special inquisition, in such a case, is most absolute:
and if the Church can hardly erre, as you heard before, in the ordination of a custome, why should I doubt that I should erre in yeelding obedience to the custome?
and if the Church can hardly err, as you herd before, in the ordination of a custom, why should I doubt that I should err in yielding Obedience to the custom?
No argument holds against a custome, nay it is so far from that, that the Apostle makes the bare allegation of the custome a speciall argument of it selfe against innovation.
No argument holds against a custom, nay it is so Far from that, that the Apostle makes the bore allegation of the custom a special argument of it self against innovation.
Many arguments had he used in the former verses, some from decency, some from authority, some from nature, according as the nature of the matter would best allow:
Many Arguments had he used in the former Verses, Some from decency, Some from Authority, Some from nature, according as the nature of the matter would best allow:
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and now being desirous to strike home, and to set a barre against all reply, he brings them up to the Churches custome, that if the rest of his arguments could not perswade,
and now being desirous to strike home, and to Set a bar against all reply, he brings them up to the Churches custom, that if the rest of his Arguments could not persuade,
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Blessed Saint Paul, thou hast now taught us an easie way to put an end to all contention that ever shall arise concerning ceremonies, henceforth if any shall seeme contentious, wee shall not need to beat him downe either with Fathers, or Councels, or Apostles, or Scriptures, no nor yet the authority of other Churches; what shall wee need to goe about when Saint Paul hath shewed us a nearer way, NONLATINALPHABET, let the custome prevaile in the name of God,
Blessed Saint Paul, thou hast now taught us an easy Way to put an end to all contention that ever shall arise Concerning ceremonies, henceforth if any shall seem contentious, we shall not need to beatrice him down either with Father's, or Counsels, or Apostles, or Scriptures, not nor yet the Authority of other Churches; what shall we need to go about when Saint Paul hath showed us a nearer Way,, let the custom prevail in the name of God,
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If any private man shall attempt in time to come to bring upon us a new custome, either in praying, or preaching, or baptizing, or communicating, or marying, or burying, whatsoever it bee,
If any private man shall attempt in time to come to bring upon us a new custom, either in praying, or preaching, or baptizing, or communicating, or marrying, or burying, whatsoever it be,
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On the other side, if any shall seek to put down the old, whether in standing, or kneeling, or crossing, or bowing, or uncovering, or whatsoever else of the same alloy, that hath beene either prescribed in our booke of Canons, or religiously continued in the reverend practice of our mother Churches, we shall need to say no more then S. Paul implies, habemus talem, we have such a custome allowed amongst us,
On the other side, if any shall seek to put down the old, whither in standing, or kneeling, or crossing, or bowing, or uncovering, or whatsoever Else of the same alloy, that hath been either prescribed in our book of Canonas, or religiously continued in the reverend practice of our mother Churches, we shall need to say no more then S. Paul Implies, habemus talem, we have such a custom allowed among us,
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Indeed custome is a good plea for outward rite, but for the doctrine of Gods worship, that concernes the essence of religion, we must not plead a bare custome. When any part of that gracious charter shall be called in question by stubborne hereticks, we must not follow the customes of men, but the truth of God;
Indeed custom is a good plea for outward rite, but for the Doctrine of God's worship, that concerns the essence of Religion, we must not plead a bore custom. When any part of that gracious charter shall be called in question by stubborn Heretics, we must not follow the customs of men, but the truth of God;
yet it is not the allowance of every Church, that takes up a rite of her owne head, contrary to the order of other Churches; but the unanimous consent of sundry Churches agreeing in one, that gives the name and force of a custome.
yet it is not the allowance of every Church, that Takes up a rite of her own head, contrary to the order of other Churches; but the unanimous consent of sundry Churches agreeing in one, that gives the name and force of a custom.
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but loe he stands upon the generall use of the Apostolique Churches, and urges the harmony of the most, against the private use of the Church of Corinth; to teach us that if any question should arise in time to come about the different orders of sundry Churches, that wee could hardly know which to follow, we should ever preferre the customes of the most,
but lo he Stands upon the general use of the Apostolic Churches, and urges the harmony of the most, against the private use of the Church of Corinth; to teach us that if any question should arise in time to come about the different order of sundry Churches, that we could hardly know which to follow, we should ever prefer the customs of the most,
I will but onely adde this one word more, that your customes bee decent and reverend customes, surnished with all those speciall properties which S. Paul requires in every custome, and then you come fully up to the Apostles (talis) you have a custome I warrant you against all exception;
I will but only add this one word more, that your customs be decent and reverend customs, furnished with all those special properties which S. Paul requires in every custom, and then you come Fully up to the Apostles (Talis) you have a custom I warrant you against all exception;
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But I feare I shall exceed the time, and so break the custome while I stand so long upon the Churches custome; but if I have tyred the patience of any in tracing this strange unusuall argument, I desire the blame may rest upon them whose wilfull and stubborne oppositions have forced mee to breake my usuall custome.
But I Fear I shall exceed the time, and so break the custom while I stand so long upon the Churches custom; but if I have tired the patience of any in tracing this strange unusual argument, I desire the blame may rest upon them whose wilful and stubborn oppositions have forced me to break my usual custom.
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but others there are of that crosse and peevish spirit, that I thinke if S. Paul himselfe would supply this place, he could hardly win them to conformity.
but Others there Are of that cross and peevish Spirit, that I think if S. Paul himself would supply this place, he could hardly win them to conformity.
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Let the Church stand upon her customes while she will, the rulers of the Church observe the custome, and all the Doctors of the Church both old and new allow the custome, yet they resolve to hold their custome, their custome of wilfull contradiction.
Let the Church stand upon her customs while she will, the Rulers of the Church observe the custom, and all the Doctors of the Church both old and new allow the custom, yet they resolve to hold their custom, their custom of wilful contradiction.
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If any custome at all goe downe with them, it must be the custome of some forraigne Church: Great is Diana of the Ephesians, and they are apt enough to admire her customes; but for the customes of our owne Church, which all our neighbours so much renowne;
If any custom At all go down with them, it must be the custom of Some foreign Church: Great is Diana of the Ephesians, and they Are apt enough to admire her customs; but for the customs of our own Church, which all our neighbours so much renown;
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and yet the most of them will freely confesse (if they are not too ingratefull) that they themselves have been debtors unto thee, not onely for the light of heavenly truth,
and yet the most of them will freely confess (if they Are not too ingrateful) that they themselves have been debtors unto thee, not only for the Light of heavenly truth,
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Did the fame of thy children never spread beyond the Alps, or their glory beyōd the Lemanian lake? Why then should thy children despise thy customes, and dote upon the love of forraign Churches, unlesse they meane to play the parts of ungracious children, to discredit the wombe that brought them forth,
Did the fame of thy children never spread beyond the Alps, or their glory beyond the Lemanian lake? Why then should thy children despise thy customs, and dote upon the love of foreign Churches, unless they mean to play the parts of ungracious children, to discredit the womb that brought them forth,
The rule that S. Ambrose gave to his friend S. Augustine, when he asked his opinion concerning fasting on the Saturday, which was the custom at Rome, but not at Millaine, that when hee was at Rome, he used to fast,
The Rule that S. Ambrose gave to his friend S. Augustine, when he asked his opinion Concerning fasting on the Saturday, which was the custom At Room, but not At Milan, that when he was At Room, he used to fast,
Thou maist easily offend either way, but chiefly in opposing thine owne Church: for if it be matter of scandall as you heard before, to refuse the customes of forraigne Churches whensoever we chance to communicate with them,
Thou Mayest Easily offend either Way, but chiefly in opposing thine own Church: for if it be matter of scandal as you herd before, to refuse the customs of foreign Churches whensoever we chance to communicate with them,
I must goe for a formalist, a time-server, and I know not what if I plead so hard for the Churches custome; but if I suffer in this cause, S. Paul may best answer for me, he hath deceived me if I be deceived,
I must go for a formalist, a timeserver, and I know not what if I plead so hard for the Churches custom; but if I suffer in this cause, S. Paul may best answer for me, he hath deceived me if I be deceived,
Let no man strive against the customes of the Church, for that will turne to his owne confusion, these warres are like the warres of Saul and David, where the house of Saul grew still weaker,
Let no man strive against the customs of the Church, for that will turn to his own confusion, these wars Are like the wars of Saul and David, where the house of Saul grew still Weaker,
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There is neither comfort nor gaine in this rash adventure, but onely the shame of your own mother; but if you will yeeld your selves like dutifull children to observe the custome, or like stout champions to plead the custome, you have the warrant of the Apostle to defend you,
There is neither Comfort nor gain in this rash adventure, but only the shame of your own mother; but if you will yield your selves like dutiful children to observe the custom, or like stout champions to plead the custom, you have the warrant of the Apostle to defend you,
Theophilact. Pet. Mart. & aliiin loc. Gualt in loc. probat hunc Ethnicorum suisse morē: idque ex Plutarch. & Virgilio. Jdem Chrysost. graecorū fuisse institutum: & certum est hunc mo. rem hodie apud •urcas invaluisse.
Theophilact. Pet. Mart. & aliiin loc. Walter in loc. Probat hunc Ethnicorum suisse morē: idque ex Plutarch. & Virgilio. Idem Chrysostom graecorū Fuisse institutum: & certum est hunc more. remembering hodie apud •urcas invaluisse.
Hom. 24. in Act. & 36. in 1. Cor. Idem Martyr, in loc. & Erasm. de morum civil. in templo in huc modum: Si quis regem hominem alloquuturus circumstante procerum corona nec caput aperiat, nec genu flectat, non iam pro rustico sed pro insano haberetur.
Hom. 24. in Act. & 36. in 1. Cor. Idem Martyr, in loc. & Erasmus de morum civil. in templo in huc modum: Si quis regem hominem alloquuturus circumstante Procerum corona nec caput aperiat, nec genu flectat, non iam Pro Rustico sed Pro insano haberetur.
In the primitive Church. August. ep. 118. ad Ian. Amb. in 4. Ephes. Socra. hist. li. 5. ca. 22. z•zomen. li. 7. ca. 9. Tertul. de veland. vir.
In the primitive Church. August. Epistle. 118. and Jan Ambassadors in 4. Ephesians Socrates. hist. li. 5. circa 22. z•zomen. li. 7. circa 9. Tertulian de Veland. vir.
Sol. Nulla lex satis commoda omni bus, idton tum quaritur, &c. Cat. apud Liv. decad. lib. 4. Singulos per dies n•vum aliquid affectant. Iren. lib. 1. Ob. 2. Sol.
Sol. Nulla lex satis commoda omni bus, idton tum Quaritur, etc. Cat. apud Liv. decade. lib. 4. Singulos per dies n•vum Aliquid affectant. Iren lib. 1. Ob. 2. Sol.
Tert. de velād. virg. Caetera quidë disciplinae admittunt novitatem correctionis. E• Aug. ep. ad Jan. vel emëdari oportet quod fi•bat, vel institui quod non fiebat.
Tert the Veland. Virg. Caetera quidë Discipline admittunt novitatem correctionis. E• Aug. Epistle. ad Jan. vel emëdari oportet quod fi•bat, vel institui quod non fiebat.
Apud Aug. ep. ad Casulanū. Quando Rome sum, &c. & ad quamcun { que } aliam ecclesiam veneritis ejus m••em servate, si pari scanda•um, nec vultis, aec facere. ibid.
Apud Aug. Epistle. ad Casulanū. Quando Room sum, etc. & ad quamcun { que } aliam Church veneritis His m••em Save, si Pair scanda•um, nec Wills, aec facere. Ibid.
