The judgment of private discretion in matters of religion defended in a sermon on I Thessal. v. 21, preached at St. Pauls Covent-Garden, Feb. xxiii, 1686 [ie. 1687] / by Richard Kidder.
And, Ʋnto the Church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus called to be Saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ the Lord.
And, Ʋnto the Church of God which is At Corinth, to them that Are sanctified in christ jesus called to be Saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of jesus christ the Lord.
or whole body of Christians, which according to our version is said to be directed to the Elect Lady. St. Jude directs his To them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ and called.
or Whole body of Christians, which according to our version is said to be directed to the Elect Lady. Saint U^de directs his To them that Are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in jesus christ and called.
St. Paul where he gives Laws about the Officers and Government of the Church directs his Epistles to the Governours onely as in his Epistles to Timothy and Titus; otherwise he directs,
Saint Paul where he gives Laws about the Officers and Government of the Church directs his Epistles to the Governors only as in his Epistles to Timothy and Titus; otherwise he directs,
2. I consider the importance of the advice, Prove all things. The Greek word, which we render Prove, signifies to examine the truth or goodness of a thing;
2. I Consider the importance of the Advice, Prove all things. The Greek word, which we render Prove, signifies to examine the truth or Goodness of a thing;
And this precept is subjoined to that, Despise not prophecyings; i. e. the preaching of the Word, as may be collected from the Apostle's words elsewhere.
And this precept is subjoined to that, Despise not prophesyings; i. e. the preaching of the Word, as may be collected from the Apostle's words elsewhere.
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He requires us in this Chapter To esteem them very highly in love for their works sake, (v. 13.) and bids us not despise prophecyings, and yet even to this he adds Prove all things, &c. whence I raise this Doctrine or Proposition.
He requires us in this Chapter To esteem them very highly in love for their works sake, (v. 13.) and bids us not despise prophesyings, and yet even to this he adds Prove all things, etc. whence I raise this Doctrine or Proposition.
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But the private man hath a soul to save, and in order thereunto is bound to inform himself in matters of faith, and those things which tend to the regulating his life and conversation.
But the private man hath a soul to save, and in order thereunto is bound to inform himself in matters of faith, and those things which tend to the regulating his life and Conversation.
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And this determination of our practice (especially in matters of order and discipline, of which I would be chiefly understood) is very consistent with that judgment of discretion which I am now pleading for.
And this determination of our practice (especially in matters of order and discipline, of which I would be chiefly understood) is very consistent with that judgement of discretion which I am now pleading for.
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A private man is not judge of what is convenient, most decent and orderly, but ought to judge between good and evil, lawfull and unlawfull, true and false.
A private man is not judge of what is convenient, most decent and orderly, but ought to judge between good and evil, lawful and unlawful, true and false.
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Our Saviour calls upon his followers to beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees, and to search the Scriptures. And we are required to try the Spirits, and not to believe an Apostle or an Angel that should preach any other Gospel.
Our Saviour calls upon his followers to beware of the Doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees, and to search the Scriptures. And we Are required to try the Spirits, and not to believe an Apostle or an Angel that should preach any other Gospel.
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viz. That the people are bound to lay aside their own discretion and intirely to give themselves up (without examining) to be led as their guides please.
viz. That the people Are bound to lay aside their own discretion and entirely to give themselves up (without examining) to be led as their guides please.
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We reade of their sacrificing in high places, their worship of the golden Calf, and the Calves of Dan and Bethel, of their brazen Serpent and their false Gods. It was not a just excuse for them that the golden Calf was made by Aaron: They were not without blame for offering upon that Altar, which resembled that which was at Damascus, because Ʋriah their H. Priest set it up,
We read of their sacrificing in high places, their worship of the golden Calf, and the Calves of Dan and Bethel, of their brazen Serpent and their false God's It was not a just excuse for them that the golden Calf was made by Aaron: They were not without blame for offering upon that Altar, which resembled that which was At Damascus, Because Ʋriah their H. Priest Set it up,
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For who could blame them for doing that which their H. Priest and Sanhedrim, their Priests and Elders had done before? It is true he wrought many Miracles:
For who could blame them for doing that which their H. Priest and Sanhedrim, their Priests and Elders had done before? It is true he wrought many Miracles:
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That they had among them an H. Priest and Sanhedrim, Scribes or men learned in the Law and Traditions, which latter they received with equal reverence with the Written Word.
That they had among them an H. Priest and Sanhedrim, Scribes or men learned in the Law and Traditions, which latter they received with equal Reverence with the Written Word.
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for, though they denied the possibility of it to the Christians, yet, Jesus himself owned that salvation was of the Jews. They might have urged the 17th of Deuteronomy to prove the infallibility of their Church with a far greater shew than ever Thou art Peter, &c. was produced to prove that of the Bishop of Rome. It being expresly required ( Deut. 17.8, 10.) That in matters of Controversie men should abide by the Sentence of the law pronounced by the Priest, or Judge of that time;
for, though they denied the possibility of it to the Christians, yet, jesus himself owned that salvation was of the jews. They might have urged the 17th of Deuteronomy to prove the infallibility of their Church with a Far greater show than ever Thou art Peter, etc. was produced to prove that of the Bishop of Room. It being expressly required (Deuteronomy 17.8, 10.) That in matters of Controversy men should abide by the Sentence of the law pronounced by the Priest, or Judge of that time;
Sequendi sunt nobis parentes qui feliciter sequuti sunt suos, saith Symmachus. If this principle might be allowed there could be no way left to spread the faith among them.
Sequendi sunt nobis Parents qui feliciter sequuti sunt suos, Says Symmachus. If this principle might be allowed there could be no Way left to spread the faith among them.
For what method can we take to bring them over if we cannot convince them that we are in the right and they in the wrong? And how can they be made sensible of this if we allow them not the liberty of judging? And sure if they be fit to judge of the whole matter they are not unfit to judge of the severals.
For what method can we take to bring them over if we cannot convince them that we Are in the right and they in the wrong? And how can they be made sensible of this if we allow them not the liberty of judging? And sure if they be fit to judge of the Whole matter they Are not unfit to judge of the severals.
If we allow them the liberty to judge of Christianity before they embrace it, it is not reasonable to deny them a judgment of discretion when they are received into the Christian Faith.
If we allow them the liberty to judge of Christianity before they embrace it, it is not reasonable to deny them a judgement of discretion when they Are received into the Christian Faith.
This principle admitted would have excused the people that should have continued in Arianism, when the Bishops and Priests and generally the whole Church was infected with it.
This principle admitted would have excused the people that should have continued in Arianism, when the Bishops and Priests and generally the Whole Church was infected with it.
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The Arians once filled the Church, called themselves Orthodox and Catholicks and others Hereticks. According to this principle the people ought to have continued thus always;
The Arians once filled the Church, called themselves Orthodox and Catholics and Others Heretics. According to this principle the people ought to have continued thus always;
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For then the people are not obliged to despoil themselves of their faculties and wiser powers but may judge in matters of Religion, this being of the most principal concernment of all.
For then the people Are not obliged to despoil themselves of their faculties and Wiser Powers but may judge in matters of Religion, this being of the most principal concernment of all.
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[ 3. ] Supposing there were any truth in this principle, yet it would be of no use to us unless we were also directed to the Church and guides to whom we are to surrender our selves.
[ 3. ] Supposing there were any truth in this principle, yet it would be of no use to us unless we were also directed to the Church and guides to whom we Are to surrender our selves.
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For Antiquity, Succession, Miracles, Amplitude, Prosperity, Success, &c. these are things that may be pleaded in behalf of Jews, Pagans and Infidels. They will at least severally share in these pretences.
For Antiquity, Succession, Miracles, Amplitude, Prosperity, Success, etc. these Are things that may be pleaded in behalf of jews, Pagans and Infidels. They will At least severally share in these pretences.
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[ 5. ] Many things in Religion are so plain that a man of ordinary capacity and competently instructed in the principles of Religion is able to judge of them:
[ 5. ] Many things in Religion Are so plain that a man of ordinary capacity and competently instructed in the principles of Religion is able to judge of them:
but for the perfecting of the Saints, and for the edifying of the body of Christ, and preserving the people from the sleight of men and cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive.
but for the perfecting of the Saints, and for the edifying of the body of christ, and preserving the people from the sleight of men and cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive.
I shall now answer the Objections which may be brought against what I have said. 'Tis pretended that this Doctrine will introduce Heresies and Schisms into the Church.
I shall now answer the Objections which may be brought against what I have said. It's pretended that this Doctrine will introduce Heresies and Schisms into the Church.
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2. To believe without examining, as the present Church believes, is so far from preventing Heresies that it secures men under them without any hope of emerging.
2. To believe without examining, as the present Church believes, is so Far from preventing Heresies that it secures men under them without any hope of emerging.
This principle shuts men up, and is so far from preventing the disease, that whenever men are overtaken with it all that it does is that it hinders all remedy.
This principle shuts men up, and is so Far from preventing the disease, that whenever men Are overtaken with it all that it does is that it hinders all remedy.
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4. We will suppose this principle selfevident, and that it hath been anciently and universally received (which is by no means to be granted) yet we know that it was not effectual.
4. We will suppose this principle selfevident, and that it hath been anciently and universally received (which is by no means to be granted) yet we know that it was not effectual.
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The Gnosticks, Arians and other Hereticks did infest the Primitive Church. This principle then was received in the Church from the beginning or it was not:
The Gnostics, Arians and other Heretics did infest the Primitive Church. This principle then was received in the Church from the beginning or it was not:
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If it were received in the ancient Church, I would then know how Heresies and Schisms got into the Church? Was this principle then ineffectual and shall it not now fail to be effectual?
If it were received in the ancient Church, I would then know how Heresies and Schisms god into the Church? Was this principle then ineffectual and shall it not now fail to be effectual?
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This Doctrine which I maintain, it may be objected, will destroy that reverence which is due from the people to their Pastors, and make them their Judges.
This Doctrine which I maintain, it may be objected, will destroy that Reverence which is due from the people to their Pastors, and make them their Judges.
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This the Apostle supposeth in my Text. For though he had required this esteem from the people towards their Pastors ( v. 13.) yet he commands them to prove all things. We are obliged to honour our Judges and Civil Magistrates,
This the Apostle Supposeth in my Text. For though he had required this esteem from the people towards their Pastors (v. 13.) yet he commands them to prove all things. We Are obliged to honour our Judges and Civil Magistrates,
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The Civil Magistrate determines onely our outward actions, or disposeth of some of our goods and properties (which we have power to alienate) but he does not prescribe upon our inward sense,
The Civil Magistrate determines only our outward actions, or Disposeth of Some of our goods and properties (which we have power to alienate) but he does not prescribe upon our inward sense,
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But this Doctrine, some will say, will leave us at great uncertainty, and our Salvation will be very contingent and hazardous unless we be provided of an Infallible guide, without whom we cannot be safe.
But this Doctrine, Some will say, will leave us At great uncertainty, and our Salvation will be very contingent and hazardous unless we be provided of an Infallible guide, without whom we cannot be safe.
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At this rate we may as well infer that God hath established a Sovereign Ʋmpire to decide all civil controversies about meum and tuum. For since these things divide the world,
At this rate we may as well infer that God hath established a Sovereign Ʋmpire to decide all civil controversies about meum and tuum. For since these things divide the world,
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and are occasions of feuds and wars, it may be as fairly said that this is for the interest of the world as an infallible Judge is for that of the Church.
and Are occasions of feuds and wars, it may be as fairly said that this is for the Interest of the world as an infallible Judge is for that of the Church.
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Shall we then conclude that God hath appointed such an one, or else he had been wanting to his Creatures? 'Tis for the interest of the Church that the Members of it should be free from possibility of sinning as well as of erring,
Shall we then conclude that God hath appointed such an one, or Else he had been wanting to his Creatures? It's for the Interest of the Church that the Members of it should be free from possibility of sinning as well as of erring,
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2. That supposing it necessary there should be an Infallible Judge, yet this would doe us no good unless we could be infallibly sure of this Infallible Judge.
2. That supposing it necessary there should be an Infallible Judge, yet this would do us not good unless we could be infallibly sure of this Infallible Judge.
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And how will they doe to find that out? must they be ruled by what the ignorant and common people doe? Perhaps the Church does not allow of all their practices.
And how will they do to find that out? must they be ruled by what the ignorant and Common people do? Perhaps the Church does not allow of all their practices.
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Shall they be governed by common consent? But there are differing customs and usages in France and Spain and other Countries, to which of these shall they adhere? Must they be taught by a Pope ex cathedra? But how shall they know if this be a true Pope,
Shall they be governed by Common consent? But there Are differing customs and usages in France and Spain and other Countries, to which of these shall they adhere? Must they be taught by a Pope ex cathedra? But how shall they know if this be a true Pope,
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or whether he speak ex cathedra or not? Or will you send these people to the Council of Trent? Alas, 'tis a thing well known that the words of that Councils Decrees are sometime general and ambiguous and not fit to direct plain and simple people.
or whither he speak ex cathedra or not? Or will you send these people to the Council of Trent? Alas, it's a thing well known that the words of that Councils Decrees Are sometime general and ambiguous and not fit to Direct plain and simple people.
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That no man should presume Ʋllos commentarios, glossas, annotationes, Scholia, ullúmve omnino interpretationis genus super ipsius Concilii decretis quocunque modo edere.
That no man should presume Ʋllos Commentarios, glossas, Annotations, Scholia, ullúmve Omnino interpretationis genus super Himself Concil decretis quocunque modo Eat.
That is, By any way to publish any Commentaries, Glosses, Annotations, Scholia, or any sort of interpretation whatsoever upon the Decrees of that Council.
That is, By any Way to publish any Commentaries, Glosses, Annotations, Scholia, or any sort of Interpretation whatsoever upon the Decrees of that Council.
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What this due honour is which they allow how shall the simple man know? Whether it be negative or positive honour? Whether he give too much or too little? Whether he divide it aright between the Image and the Prototype? How can he know how to govern himself in this affair? Indeed the Council says afterwards that all Superstition must be avoided.
What this due honour is which they allow how shall the simple man know? Whither it be negative or positive honour? Whither he give too much or too little? Whither he divide it aright between the Image and the Prototype? How can he know how to govern himself in this affair? Indeed the Council Says afterwards that all Superstition must be avoided.
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This is to despoil them of the great prerogative of their nature, and degrade them into a lower rank of being, which is the greatest tyranny imaginable.
This is to despoil them of the great prerogative of their nature, and degrade them into a lower rank of being, which is the greatest tyranny imaginable.
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Too many are wedded to their faction and fond opinions, and both practice and prescribe that which they condemn in the Ch. of Rome. Did they ingenuously examine things,
Too many Are wedded to their faction and found opinions, and both practice and prescribe that which they condemn in the Christ of Rome. Did they ingenuously examine things,
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but teacheth the absolute necessity of contrition and repentance, and mortification of our lusts. And does by no means indulge a liberty of living as we list.
but Teaches the absolute necessity of contrition and Repentance, and mortification of our Lustiest. And does by no means indulge a liberty of living as we list.
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Secondly, She fairly proposeth her Doctrines, and does not refuse to have them examined, nor deprive her Children of the means of doing it by the clearest light.
Secondly, She fairly Proposeth her Doctrines, and does not refuse to have them examined, nor deprive her Children of the means of doing it by the Clearest Light.
