A sermon preached at Paules Crosse the 9. of Februarie being the first Sunday in the Parleament, Anno. 1588. by Richard Bancroft D. of Divinitie, and chaplaine to the right honorable Sir Christopher Hatson Knight L. chancelor of England. Wherein some things are now added, which then were omitted, either through want of time, or default in memorie.
Deerly beloved, beleeve not every spirit, but trie the spirits whether they be of God: For manie false prophets are gone out into the world. 1. IOH. 4. 1. THESE words which I have readde unto you (right Hon. and beloved in the Lord) do divide themselves into three parts:
Dearly Beloved, believe not every Spirit, but try the spirits whither they be of God: For many false Prophets Are gone out into the world. 1. JOHN 4. 1. THESE words which I have read unto you (right Hon. and Beloved in the Lord) do divide themselves into three parts:
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Arrians, Donatists, Papists, Libertines, Anabaptists, the Familie of love, and sundrie other (I knowe not of what opinion) so many sectaries and schismatikes,
Arians, Donatists, Papists, Libertines, Anabaptists, the Family of love, and sundry other (I know not of what opinion) so many sectaries and Schismatics,
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Vos Christiani dissidetis inter vos & tot sectas habetis: quae licet omnes Christianismi titulum sibi vendicent, tamen alia aliam execratur & condemnat.
Vos Christians dissidetis inter vos & tot sectas Habetis: Quae licet omnes Christianism Titulum sibi vendicent, tamen Alias aliam execratur & condemnat.
Yee Protestants say the Papists (as Clemens Alexandrinus noteth some others to have said upon the like occasion) yee dissent amongst your selves and maintaine so many sects:
Ye Protestants say the Papists (as Clemens Alexandrian notes Some Others to have said upon the like occasion) ye dissent among your selves and maintain so many Sects:
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In respect of their doctrine, they are called in the Scriptures Spirits of error, seducers, deceivers, juglers, authors of divers sects, false speakers,
In respect of their Doctrine, they Are called in the Scriptures Spirits of error, seducers, deceivers, jugglers, Authors of diverse Sects, false Speakers,
but yet of nature verie contentious and unquiet, doting about questions and strife of words: wherof commeth envy, strife, railings, and evill surmisings.
but yet of nature very contentious and unquiet, doting about questions and strife of words: whereof comes envy, strife, railings, and evil surmisings.
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They are bolder in avouching their untruths, and in depraving their superiors, than Michael the Archangell durst be when hee strove against the divell.
They Are bolder in avouching their untruths, and in depraving their superiors, than Michael the Archangel durst be when he strove against the Devil.
Vnto these I might adde the holie maide of Lisbone, who did prophesie this last yeere (if the report be true) that the invincible navie of the Spaniardes should no sooner approch the coast of England,
Unto these I might add the holy maid of Lisbon, who did prophesy this last year (if the report be true) that the invincible navy of the Spaniards should not sooner approach the coast of England,
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especially Brocard the Italian, who expoundeth the prophesies of Esaie, Ezechiell and the rest touching the overthrow of Ierusalem, Egipt, Tyre, Sidon,
especially Brocard the Italian, who expoundeth the prophecies of Isaiah, Ezekiel and the rest touching the overthrow of Ierusalem, Egypt, Tyre, Sidon,
and Babylon with their kings & rulers to be understood of the destruction of Anwarpe, Paris, the prince of Orange, the prince of Conde, and others both noblemen,
and Babylon with their Kings & Rulers to be understood of the destruction of Antwerp, paris, the Prince of Orange, the Prince of Conde, and Others both noblemen,
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Another of this sort (whose booke I have, written with his owne hand) endevoreth to proove out of the prophets, that ELIZABETH now Queene of England is ordained of God to be Queene of Ierusalem:
another of this sort (whose book I have, written with his own hand) endeavoureth to prove out of the Prophets, that ELIZABETH now Queen of England is ordained of God to be Queen of Ierusalem:
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Lastlie they are to be reckoned amongst the number of these false prophets who do pervert the meaning of the Scriptures for the maintenance and defence of any false doctrin, schism, or heresie.
Lastly they Are to be reckoned among the number of these false Prophets who do pervert the meaning of the Scriptures for the maintenance and defence of any false Doctrine, Schism, or heresy.
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There are very many now a daies, who do affirm that when Christ used these words, Dic ecclesiae, he ment thereby to establish in the church for ever the same plat and forme of ecclesiastical government, to be erected in every parish, which Moses by Iethroes counsel appointed in mount Sinaie:
There Are very many now a days, who do affirm that when christ used these words, Die ecclesiae, he meant thereby to establish in the Church for ever the same plate and Form of ecclesiastical government, to be erected in every parish, which Moses by Jethro's counsel appointed in mount Sinai:
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Heere you see there is great vehemencie used, and very sharpe applications are urged, A man would thinke that if the grounde of this government were not more cleere then the sunne,
Here you see there is great vehemency used, and very sharp applications Are urged, A man would think that if the ground of this government were not more clear then the sun,
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A verie strange matter if it were true, that Christ should erect a forme of governement for the ruling of his Church to continue from his departure out of the world untill his comming againe:
A very strange matter if it were true, that christ should erect a Form of government for the ruling of his Church to continue from his departure out of the world until his coming again:
They departed from the congregations of the faithfull accounting them ungodlie: and have gathered to themselves companies agreeable to their owne humors:
They departed from the congregations of the faithful accounting them ungodly: and have gathered to themselves companies agreeable to their own humours:
For this hath ever been reckoned a most certaine ground and principle in religion, that that Church which maintaineth without error the faith of Christ, which holdeth the true doctrine of the Gospell in matters necessarie to salvation, and preacheth the same;
For this hath ever been reckoned a most certain ground and principle in Religion, that that Church which maintaineth without error the faith of christ, which holds the true Doctrine of the Gospel in matters necessary to salvation, and Preacheth the same;
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which retaineth the lawfull use of those Sacraments onely which Christ hath appointed, and which appointeth vice to be punished, and vertue to be maintaned;
which retaineth the lawful use of those Sacraments only which christ hath appointed, and which appoints vice to be punished, and virtue to be maintaned;
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notwithstanding in some other respects, and in some points it have many blemishes, imperfections, nay divers & sundry errors, is yet to be acknowledged for the mother of the faithfull, the house of God, the Arke of Noe, the piller of truth, and the spouse of Christ.
notwithstanding in Some other respects, and in Some points it have many blemishes, imperfections, nay diverse & sundry errors, is yet to be acknowledged for the mother of the faithful, the house of God, the Ark of No, the pillar of truth, and the spouse of christ.
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I might bring very many testimonies out of the ancient fathers to proove this principle: especially out of S. Augustine against the Donatists; but I hold it needlesse.
I might bring very many testimonies out of the ancient Father's to prove this principle: especially out of S. Augustine against the Donatists; but I hold it needless.
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And yet for the better satisfaction of those which are of the new humor, I will trouble you with the judgement heerin of a man of the newe reformation.
And yet for the better satisfaction of those which Are of the new humour, I will trouble you with the judgement herein of a man of the new Reformation.
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Danaeus handleth this point at large, and is flat of this opinion, that whosoever departeth from the Church for any imperfections or errours, which do not impugne nor overthrow the substance and articles of the Christian faith, he is a schismatike:
Danaeus handleth this point At large, and is flat of this opinion, that whosoever departeth from the Church for any imperfections or errors, which do not impugn nor overthrow the substance and Articles of the Christian faith, he is a schismatic:
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Quia discedit ab eo coetu qui fundamentum verae fidei verè retinet: Bicause he departeth from that company, which truly retaineth the foundation of the true faith.
Quia Discedit ab eo coetu qui fundamentum Verae fidei verè retinet: Because he departeth from that company, which truly retaineth the Foundation of the true faith.
In the Lords barne there is contained both wheate and chaffe. Triticum non rapit ventus, nec arborem solida radice fundatam: sedinanes duntaxat paleas jactat tempestas:
In the lords bairn there is contained both wheat and chaff. Triticum non rapit ventus, nec Arborem Solid radice fundatam: sedinanes duntaxat paleas jactat Tempestas:
bicause that Bishops will not suffer men to do as they list (for I can make no better sence of his discourse touching that matter) but for mine owne part I am not of his opinion.
Because that Bishops will not suffer men to do as they list (for I can make no better sense of his discourse touching that matter) but for mine own part I am not of his opinion.
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but rather blame themselves and their owne demeanour, in that a man can scarcelie speake any thing out of the saide godlie fathers as touching the behavior of the ancient heretikes and schismatikes,
but rather blame themselves and their own demeanour, in that a man can scarcely speak any thing out of the said godly Father's as touching the behaviour of the ancient Heretics and Schismatics,
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For if Bishops had not that authoritie, Tot in Ecclesiis efficerentur schismata quot Sacerdotes: There would be as many schismes in the church as there are priests.
For if Bishops had not that Authority, Tot in Ecclesiis efficerentur schismata quot Sacerdotes: There would be as many schisms in the Church as there Are Priests.
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Which thing being observed before Ieromes time by S. Cyprian: Initia haereticorum & ortus atque conetus schismaticorum male cogitantium, haec sunt, &c. Vt praepositum superbo tumore contemnant. Sic de ecclesia receditur: sic altare prophanum foris collocatur:
Which thing being observed before Ieromes time by S. Cyprian: Initia haereticorum & ortus atque conetus schismaticorum male cogitantium, haec sunt, etc. Vt praepositum superbo tumore contemnant. Sic de Church receditur: sic altar prophanum Foris collocatur:
The beginning of heretikes (saith he) and the first springing up and enterprise of schismatikes thinking amisse, &c. groweth of this, that being puffed up with pride they contemne their governors.
The beginning of Heretics (Says he) and the First springing up and enterprise of Schismatics thinking amiss, etc. grows of this, that being puffed up with pride they contemn their Governors.
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Whence do heresies and schimes spring but of this, that Bishops having the governmēt of the churches in their severall Dioceses (as M. Nowell sheweth at large against Dorman) are through the proud presumption of certain contemned,
Whence do heresies and schimes spring but of this, that Bishops having the government of the Churches in their several Dioceses (as M. Noel shows At large against Dorman) Are through the proud presumption of certain contemned,
Thus you see what the ancient and godlie fathers have thought in times past of the contempt of Bishops, let it prevaile now with you as it shall please God to worke in your harts.
Thus you see what the ancient and godly Father's have Thought in times past of the contempt of Bishops, let it prevail now with you as it shall please God to work in your hearts.
These men affecting these honorable roomes, by receiving their severall foyles, when through ambition they could not get the places they looked for in the church, they sought to attaine them in their particular synagogs.
These men affecting these honourable rooms, by receiving their several foils, when through ambition they could not get the places they looked for in the Church, they sought to attain them in their particular Synagogues.
Aerius and Eustathius being schollers togither in Pontus, and profiting in learning with like commendation, at the last did sue one against another for a Bishopricke there. Eustathius obtained it: Aerius is greatly offended.
Aerius and Eustathius being Scholars together in Pontus, and profiting in learning with like commendation, At the last did sue one against Another for a Bishopric there. Eustathius obtained it: Aerius is greatly offended.
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Thereupon he entred into a schisme, he departed from the church, and having allured unto him a multitude of men and women, he fell into many absurdities.
Thereupon he entered into a Schism, he departed from the Church, and having allured unto him a multitude of men and women, he fell into many absurdities.
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and that there was no difference by the word of God betwixt a priest and a B. He used for proofe of these his assertions the very same arguments which nowe are used of those that maintaine his opinions:
and that there was no difference by the word of God betwixt a priest and a B. He used for proof of these his assertions the very same Arguments which now Are used of those that maintain his opinions:
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as that the apostles sometimes writing to priests and deacons, & somtimes to Bb. and deacons, should therby signifie, that a B. and a priest is all one.
as that the Apostles sometime writing to Priests and Deacons, & sometimes to Bb. and Deacons, should thereby signify, that a B. and a priest is all one.
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Which is an assertion (saith Epiphanius) Stultitiae plena: full of follie. And thus you see what ambition accompanied with emulation wrought in Aerius.
Which is an assertion (Says Epiphanius) Stultitiae plena: full of folly. And thus you see what ambition accompanied with emulation wrought in Aerius.
Who taking upon him with Aerius to proove an equality in the ministerie, and that there ought to be no difference betwixt a B. and a priest, commeth at last to these wordes;
Who taking upon him with Aerius to prove an equality in the Ministry, and that there ought to be no difference betwixt a B. and a priest, comes At last to these words;
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There was never anie but Antichristian popes and popelings that ever claimed this authoritie (he meaneth the superioritie which Bb. have over the clergie) especially when the matter was gainsaid, &c.
There was never any but Antichristian Popes and popelings that ever claimed this Authority (he means the superiority which Bb. have over the Clergy) especially when the matter was gainsaid, etc.
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Why doth mans allowance or disallowance make a matter Antichristian or not Antichristian? Were they godly Bb. which claimed this authoritie when it was not gainsaid,
Why does men allowance or disallowance make a matter Antichristian or not Antichristian? Were they godly Bb. which claimed this Authority when it was not gainsaid,
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and are they become Antichristian Bb. for challenging the same, bicause som do mislike it? But that you may yet farther see Martins boldnes (I might say either his malice or ignorance) it may please you to understande, what account was made in the church of God in those daies of Aerius gainsaying and impugning of the superioritie of Bishops.
and Are they become Antichristian Bb. for challenging the same, Because Some do mislike it? But that you may yet farther see Martins boldness (I might say either his malice or ignorance) it may please you to understand, what account was made in the Church of God in those days of Aerius gainsaying and impugning of the superiority of Bishops.
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For it appeereth in Epiphanius, after due triall and examination made by the learned fathers who then lived, of all his arguments and sleights which he used for the proofe of his assertions, that with a generall consent of the whole church his opinions were overthrowen,
For it appeareth in Epiphanius, After due trial and examination made by the learned Father's who then lived, of all his Arguments and sleights which he used for the proof of his assertions, that with a general consent of the Whole Church his opinions were overthrown,
Besides for all Aerius gainsaying, the most of the godly, the best learned, and the most zealous of the fathers, who spent themselves in the defence of religion against such heretikes and schismatikes as the church of God did then abound and slow withal, did themselves take upon them the offices of Bishops:
Beside for all Aerius gainsaying, the most of the godly, the best learned, and the most zealous of the Father's, who spent themselves in the defence of Religion against such Heretics and Schismatics as the Church of God did then abound and slow withal, did themselves take upon them the Offices of Bishops:
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who being called before them as occasiō required, did behave themselves in verie proude and disdainfull maner, in so much as thereby they were discerned to be very arrogant and contemptuous heretikes;
who being called before them as occasion required, did behave themselves in very proud and disdainful manner, in so much as thereby they were discerned to be very arrogant and contemptuous Heretics;
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Quilibet haereticus &c. loquens cum pontifice, nec eum vocat pontificem nec Archiepiscopum, nec religiosissimum, nec sanctum: sed quid• … reverentia tua.
Quilibet Heretic etc. Speaking cum pontifice, nec Eum vocat Pontifex nec Archbishop, nec religiosissimum, nec sanctum: sed quid• … Reverence tua.
Diabolus hoc fecit cum Deo, &c. Everie he ritike saith he, speaking with a Bishop doth neither call him Bishop nor Archbishop, &c. But what? your reverence, your wisedome your prudencie,
Diabolus hoc fecit cum God, etc. Every he ritike Says he, speaking with a Bishop does neither call him Bishop nor Archbishop, etc. But what? your Reverence, your Wisdom your prudency,
Novatus called himselfe Moses, and having a brother, he named him Aaron. Simon Magus affirmed sometimes that he was God the father, somtime God the sonne, somtime God the holy Ghost,
Novatian called himself Moses, and having a brother, he nam him Aaron. Simon Magus affirmed sometime that he was God the father, sometime God the son, sometime God the holy Ghost,
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He is but of a meane conceite among them who will sticke to say (as Bernard noteth of Petrus Abailardus and his followers) Omnes Patres sic, at ego non sic:
He is but of a mean conceit among them who will stick to say (as Bernard notes of Peter Abailardus and his followers) Omnes Patres sic, At ego non sic:
Of whom (saith Bernard) an non justius os loquens talia fustibus tunderetur quā rationibus refelleretur? Were it not more agreeable to justice that the mouth of such a man should by punishments be stopped then by reasons refelled? Nonne omnium in se merito provocat manus, cujus manus contra omnes? Doth not he woorthilie provoke all men to bee against him, who is himselfe against all men? Howe this selfe-love hath blinded many in these daies, there is none of you my brethren who are ignoraunt of it.
Of whom (Says Bernard) an non justius os Speaking Talia Fustibus tunderetur quā rationibus refelleretur? Were it not more agreeable to Justice that the Mouth of such a man should by punishments be stopped then by Reasons refelled? Nonne omnium in se merito provocat manus, cujus manus contra omnes? Does not he worthily provoke all men to be against him, who is himself against all men? Howe this Self-love hath blinded many in these days, there is none of you my brothers who Are ignorant of it.
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It is written of Paulus Samosatenus that being allured with great hope of preferment, which hee expected of Zenobia the Queene of Arabia, he fell into those schismes, which after wrought his overthrow.
It is written of Paulus Samosatene that being allured with great hope of preferment, which he expected of Zenobia the Queen of Arabia, he fell into those schisms, which After wrought his overthrow.
For I am fully of this opinion, that the hope which manie men have conceived of the spoile of Bishops livings, of the subversion of cathedrall churches,
For I am Fully of this opinion, that the hope which many men have conceived of the spoil of Bishops livings, of the subversion of cathedral Churches,
and of a havocke to be made of al the churches revenues, is the cheefest and most principall cause of the greatest schismes that we have at this day in our church.
and of a havoc to be made of all the Churches revenues, is the chiefest and most principal cause of the greatest schisms that we have At this day in our Church.
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The clergie factious do contend, that all the livings which now appertain to the church, ought of right to be imploied for the maintenance of their presbyteries,
The Clergy factious do contend, that all the livings which now appertain to the Church, ought of right to be employed for the maintenance of their presbyteries,
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and in this course they are so earnest, as that in a supplication exhibited in the name of the communaltie to the high Court of Parleament 1585. they have set it down as a resolute doctrin, that things once dedicated to a sacred use, ought so to remain by the word of God for ever,
and in this course they Are so earnest, as that in a supplication exhibited in the name of the commonalty to the high Court of Parliament 1585. they have Set it down as a resolute Doctrine, that things once dedicated to a sacred use, ought so to remain by the word of God for ever,
Their Master had not a house to put his head in. The apostles their predecessors had neither gold nor silver, possessions, riches, goods, nor revenues:
Their Master had not a house to put his head in. The Apostles their predecessors had neither gold nor silver, possessions, riches, goods, nor revenues:
and why then should they being in gifts and paines inferior unto them, have greater preferments in the world then they had? If they have a messe of pottage and a canvas dublet, may it not content them? Surelie these advancements which they have do greatlie hinder and hurt them.
and why then should they being in Gifts and pains inferior unto them, have greater preferments in the world then they had? If they have a mess of pottage and a canvas doublet, may it not content them? Surely these advancements which they have doe greatly hinder and hurt them.
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and revenewes, which the richer sort have in their handes, do (as you see) make them verie proude, choake their zeale, hinder them in their vertuous proceedings,
and revenues, which the Richer sort have in their hands, doe (as you see) make them very proud, choke their zeal, hinder them in their virtuous proceedings,
Whilest they heare us speake against Bb. and Cathedrall Churches (saith the author of the Ecclesiasticall Discipline) it tickleth their eares, looking for the like praie they had before of Monasteries:
Whilst they hear us speak against Bb. and Cathedral Churches (Says the author of the Ecclesiastical Discipline) it tickleth their ears, looking for the like pray they had before of Monasteries:
And whereas you have alreadie in your hands many impropriations & other church livings: they saie that in keeping them you sinne against your owne consciences:
And whereas you have already in your hands many impropriations & other Church livings: they say that in keeping them you sin against your own Consciences:
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the other sort not caring so much for the said government, do greatly urge in the ministery the Apostolicall povertie, to the intent that they might obtaine the pray, which they looke for.
the other sort not caring so much for the said government, do greatly urge in the Ministry the Apostolical poverty, to the intent that they might obtain the prey, which they look for.
It is therefore very meete and agreeable to the reputation which you desire, either for your vertue or for your religion, that before you proceed any farther in your disclosed maske,
It is Therefore very meet and agreeable to the reputation which you desire, either for your virtue or for your Religion, that before you proceed any farther in your disclosed mask,
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If I were urged, deerly beloved, to give my consent to the erection of these Presbyteries, which both the sorts of these men do seeme so earnestly to desire, I could be content (so that first they agreed who shoulde have the present revenues of the church) for som short time (until they saw the mischiefe of them) to yeeld therin unto them.
If I were urged, dearly Beloved, to give my consent to the erection of these Presbyteries, which both the sorts of these men do seem so earnestly to desire, I could be content (so that First they agreed who should have the present revenues of the Church) for Some short time (until they saw the mischief of them) to yield therein unto them.
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even in these places wherein we live, Velut sparsa in nostro itinere pericula & venena: As dangers and venome laid in our waies to intrap and infect us.
even in these places wherein we live, Velut sparsa in nostro itinere pericula & Venena: As dangers and venom laid in our ways to entrap and infect us.
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It had beene good for the church, that when false prophets wil needs separate them selves from the communion thereof, they would have gone likewise and have dwelt in some strange countries;
It had been good for the Church, that when false Prophets will needs separate them selves from the communion thereof, they would have gone likewise and have dwelled in Some strange countries;
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Where Christs ministers do sowe the good & pure seed of truth, unitie and order, there the divel doth stir up his ministers by waies and meanes secretlie in corners to caste abroad their cockle and darnell of falshood, discorde, and confusion.
Where Christ Ministers do sow the good & pure seed of truth, unity and order, there the Devil does stir up his Ministers by ways and means secretly in corners to cast abroad their cockle and darnel of falsehood, discord, and confusion.
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When Sathan (saith Saint Augustine) saw his temples forsaken, and that his oracles were all put to silence, he cunningly devised for a new supplie, to have alwaies his ministers in or about the church:
When Sathan (Says Faint Augustine) saw his Temples forsaken, and that his oracles were all put to silence, he cunningly devised for a new supplie, to have always his Ministers in or about the Church:
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True it is, that almightie God if it had stoode with his good pleasure, could easilie have brought it to passe in spight of the divell, that there should never have been anie such false prophets or heresies amongst us.
True it is, that almighty God if it had stood with his good pleasure, could Easily have brought it to pass in spite of the Devil, that there should never have been any such false Prophets or heresies among us.
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and that as the ancient fathers do note out of the Scriptures for three causes. First (as Saint Paule saith) that they which are approoved might be knowne: or as Tertullian speaketh;
and that as the ancient Father's do note out of the Scriptures for three Causes. First (as Saint Paul Says) that they which Are approved might be known: or as Tertullian speaks;
To that end God permitted the Iebusites to dwell with his people, and to the like purpose Scipio Nasica diswaded the league of peace betwixt the Romans and the Carthaginians,
To that end God permitted the Jebusites to dwell with his people, and to the like purpose Scipio Nasica dissuaded the league of peace betwixt the Roman and the Carthaginians,
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nor of Baptisme, as when the Donatists labored to confirme their false opinions. And againe, Multi sensus Scripturarum latent, nec asseruntur commodius, nisi quando hereticis respondendi cura compellit:
nor of Baptism, as when the Donatists laboured to confirm their false opinions. And again, Multi sensus Scripturarum latent, nec asseruntur commodius, nisi quando hereticis respondendi Cure compellit:
Seeing then (deerlie beloved) that there are many prophets and of false disposition, which through contempt of ecclesiasticall governors, through ambition, self-love,
Seeing then (dearly Beloved) that there Are many Prophets and of false disposition, which through contempt of ecclesiastical Governors, through ambition, Self-love,
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which is, that we proove some things, and that we receive without curiositie some other things being alreadie examined, prooved and tried to our hands.
which is, that we prove Some things, and that we receive without curiosity Some other things being already examined, proved and tried to our hands.
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from the spirituall food of his bodie and bloode, unto a carnall and Capernaicall transubstantiation; from the calling upon his name, to the invocation of saints:
from the spiritual food of his body and blood, unto a carnal and Capernaicall transubstantiation; from the calling upon his name, to the invocation of Saints:
Against this their falshood and very lewd dealing all those places of Scripture may be alledged, wherein we are commaunded to search the Scriptures, To proove all things, and to hold tha• … which is good:
Against this their falsehood and very lewd dealing all those places of Scripture may be alleged, wherein we Are commanded to search the Scriptures, To prove all things, and to hold tha• … which is good:
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To the like purpose an infinite number of places out of the ancient fathers may be applied (as you may finde them collected togither by doctor Buckley in his answer to certaine reasons in the Preface of the Remish testament) where they are verie earnest upon this point.
To the like purpose an infinite number of places out of the ancient Father's may be applied (as you may find them collected together by Doctor Buckley in his answer to certain Reasons in the Preface of the Remish Testament) where they Are very earnest upon this point.
so as thereby their eies might be opened, their consciences comforted, their faith nourished, and their hope lifted up to a full assurance of the promises therein contained.
so as thereby their eyes might be opened, their Consciences comforted, their faith nourished, and their hope lifted up to a full assurance of the promises therein contained.
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according to the saying of Hosius; Si quis habeat interpretationem ecclesiae Romanae de loco aliquo scripturae, etiamsi nec sciat nec intelligat an & quo modo cum scripturae verbis conveniat, tamen habet ipsissimum verbum Dei:
according to the saying of Hosius; Si quis habeat interpretationem ecclesiae Romanae de loco Aliquo Scriptures, Even if nec sciat nec Intelligat nias & quo modo cum Scriptures verbis Conveniat, tamen habet ipsissimum verbum Dei:
Besides, we saie that the fathers do in manie points dissent amongst themselves: and their generall councels have been oftentimes repugnant one to another.
Beside, we say that the Father's do in many points dissent among themselves: and their general Counsels have been oftentimes repugnant one to Another.
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And heerof it commeth to passe, that we do the rather condemne manie points of Poperie, in that they have of later daies broched and taught us sundrie very strange and dangerous opinions:
And hereof it comes to pass, that we do the rather condemn many points of Popery, in that they have of later days broached and taught us sundry very strange and dangerous opinions:
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For you must understand (saith Cardinall Cusanus (Scripturas esse ad tempus aptatas, & varie intellectas, ita ut uno tempore secundum currentem universalem ritum exponantur:
For you must understand (Says Cardinal Cusanus (Scripturas esse ad Tempus aptatas, & vary intellectas, ita ut Uno tempore secundum currentem Universalem Ritum exponantur:
Likewise those sentences of the fathers, wherin they appeale as occasion serveth, to the Scriptures, accounting them as the verie touchstone and rule of all truth.
Likewise those sentences of the Father's, wherein they appeal as occasion serves, to the Scriptures, accounting them as the very touchstone and Rule of all truth.
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& with great injurie they contemne those things which have beene rightly delivered unto them. They wring and wrest the Scriptures according as they fansie.
& with great injury they contemn those things which have been rightly Delivered unto them. They wring and wrest the Scriptures according as they fancy.
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To represse therefore this boldnes, first I say with Tertullian, and then also (for other mens contentation) with Danaeus, that it hath ever been noted as a right property of heretikes and schismatikes, alwaies to be beating this into their followers heads: Search, examine, trie and seeke:
To repress Therefore this boldness, First I say with Tertullian, and then also (for other men's contentation) with Danaeus, that it hath ever been noted as a right property of Heretics and Schismatics, always to be beating this into their followers Heads: Search, examine, try and seek:
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and afterwards thinketh some other thing to be sought for in the same; he sheweth himself that he did not beleeve those things which he seemed to beleeve,
and afterwards Thinketh Some other thing to be sought for in the same; he shows himself that he did not believe those things which he seemed to believe,
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Very just occasion is given to all the godlie to complaine with Saint Ierom in his epistle ad Paulinum: Hieron Husbandmen, Dawbers, Smiths, Carpenters, Woolsters, Fullers,
Very just occasion is given to all the godly to complain with Saint Jerom in his epistle and Paulinum: Hieron Husbandmen, Dawbers, Smiths, Carpenters, Woolsters, Fullers,
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Quod medicorum est promittunt medici, tractant fabrilia fabri: Phisitians deale with matters of phisicke, and men of trade with their owne occupations:
Quod Medicorum est promittunt medici, tractant fabrilia Fabri: Physicians deal with matters of physic, and men of trade with their own occupations:
that when you have attained the true grounds of Christian religion, and are constantly built by a lively faith upon that notable foundation whereof the Apostle speaketh, which is Iesus Christ, being incorporated into his mystical body in your baptisme by the holie Ghost:
that when you have attained the true grounds of Christian Religion, and Are constantly built by a lively faith upon that notable Foundation whereof the Apostle speaks, which is Iesus christ, being incorporated into his mystical body in your Baptism by the holy Ghost:
When certain men in the councell of Calcedon began to dispute of some points determined before in the councell of Nice, the fathers there assembled saide all with one voice: Si quis retractat, anathema sit:
When certain men in the council of Calcedon began to dispute of Some points determined before in the council of Nicaenae, the Father's there assembled said all with one voice: Si quis Retract, anathema fit:
If anie retract, accursed be he: if any inquire of these things, accursed be he: accursed be he that addeth; accursed be he that diminisheth; accursed be he that innovateth.
If any retract, accursed be he: if any inquire of these things, accursed be he: accursed be he that adds; accursed be he that diminisheth; accursed be he that innovate.
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And surely it is a very true doctrine, that when councels and synods being lawfullie assembled and directed with Gods spirit do resolve upon matters in question:
And surely it is a very true Doctrine, that when Counsels and synods being lawfully assembled and directed with God's Spirit do resolve upon matters in question:
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Neither can I see, now that popery is banished and the truth of christian religion (maugre the malice of all sorts of enimies) is godlie planted amongst us,
Neither can I see, now that popery is banished and the truth of christian Religion (maugre the malice of all sorts of enemies) is godly planted among us,
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Is it not very absurd that we should seeke everie way to discredite them in matters of lesser importance, who have most notablie sealed unto us the verie grounds and substance of religion with their blood? Or is it likely that that Church which was able to discerne betwixt truth and falsehood in so great pointes of doctrine being wrapped through continuance of time in so deepe an obscuritie;
Is it not very absurd that we should seek every Way to discredit them in matters of lesser importance, who have most notably sealed unto us the very grounds and substance of Religion with their blood? Or is it likely that that Church which was able to discern betwixt truth and falsehood in so great points of Doctrine being wrapped through Continuance of time in so deep an obscurity;
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should be unable to judge of ceremonies, forms of praier, decencie, order, edification, and such like circumstaunces of no greater waight? You would not, I thinke, take it in good part, that men should nowe begin to sift and quarrell at the articles of religion, set out and approoved in the yeere 1562. and yet I see no reason why they may not as well do it,
should be unable to judge of ceremonies, forms of prayer, decency, order, edification, and such like Circumstances of no greater weight? You would not, I think, take it in good part, that men should now begin to sift and quarrel At the Articles of Religion, Set out and approved in the year 1562. and yet I see no reason why they may not as well do it,
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if matters may be left indifferent to be determined of, by everie private mans discretion. And writing upon this place I have in hand, where the Apostle saith generally;
if matters may be left indifferent to be determined of, by every private men discretion. And writing upon this place I have in hand, where the Apostle Says generally;
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but yet that I may the better heerin satisfie everie mans humor, you shal heare the judgement of our English reformers touching this point. It is thus in effect:
but yet that I may the better herein satisfy every men humour, you shall hear the judgement of our English reformers touching this point. It is thus in Effect:
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That when such great causes of the churches as could not be ended in their Consistories or conferences, shall be heard and determined by a synode provinciall, nationall or more generall, thereunto the church shall stande, as it was at Ierusalem:
That when such great Causes of the Churches as could not be ended in their Consistories or conferences, shall be herd and determined by a Synod provincial, national or more general, thereunto the Church shall stand, as it was At Ierusalem:
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as that was in the Nicene councell, of the mariage of ministers, where the whole councell would have concluded against it, &c. had not one man Phaphnutius withstoode them, &c. In which case saie they, Trie the spirits whether they be of God or no.
as that was in the Nicene council, of the marriage of Ministers, where the Whole council would have concluded against it, etc. had not one man Phaphnutius withstood them, etc. In which case say they, Try the spirits whither they be of God or no.
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you shal understand that there is not a reformed church in christendom which doth not in this case require subscription (at the least) of their ministers.
you shall understand that there is not a reformed Church in christendom which does not in this case require subscription (At the least) of their Ministers.
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In Germanie likewise subscription is required verie streightlie unto the confession of Augusta, of al that take degrees in any of their universities, of all that are made ministers,
In Germany likewise subscription is required very streightly unto the Confessi of Augusta, of all that take Degrees in any of their universities, of all that Are made Ministers,
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True it is that one Osiander a notable heretike (as Melancton noteth and I doubt not of his followers) did heerat take many exceptions, greatly inveighing against that order.
True it is that one Osiander a notable heretic (as Melanchthon notes and I doubt not of his followers) did heerat take many exceptions, greatly inveighing against that order.
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And these out cries (as it followeth in the same place) in so great licentiousnes and confusion of this time are plausible with many, who take to themselves an infinite libertie of coyning newe opinions,
And these out cries (as it follows in the same place) in so great licentiousness and confusion of this time Are plausible with many, who take to themselves an infinite liberty of coining new opinions,
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I might heer adde how in times past Emperours, Kings, and generallie al Christians subscribed to the Decrees of the Church either by themselves or by their substitutes:
I might her add how in times passed emperors, Kings, and generally all Christians subscribed to the Decrees of the Church either by themselves or by their substitutes:
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Peradventure it woulde make them more carefull than they are in the performance of their othes which they take (as it is reported) when they are admitted unto those roomes:
Peradventure it would make them more careful than they Are in the performance of their Oaths which they take (as it is reported) when they Are admitted unto those rooms:
especially concerning the punishment of such persons, as are complained of unto them, to be common depravers and contemners of the orders of the church.
especially Concerning the punishment of such Persons, as Are complained of unto them, to be Common depravers and contemners of the order of the Church.
But touching Ecclesiasticall persons it was commaunded about 1270. yeeres ago, that certaine men, having by schisme and heresie devided themselves from the church of God,
But touching Ecclesiastical Persons it was commanded about 1270. Years ago, that certain men, having by Schism and heresy divided themselves from the Church of God,
and rent in sunder by their factions the peace thereof, should not againe be received or admitted before they had subscribed to the constitutions of the church.
and rend in sunder by their factions the peace thereof, should not again be received or admitted before they had subscribed to the constitutions of the Church.
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Ante omnia hanc habeant ab iis confessionem, quam per scripturam exigi oportet, ut fateantur se cum omni consensu, ecclesiae Catholicae statuta observaturos:
Ante omnia hanc habeant ab iis confessionem, quam per scripturam exigi oportet, ut fateantur se cum omni consensu, ecclesiae Catholic Statuta observaturos:
Let them first take of them this confession, and that under their hand-writing, that they promise with all consent, to observe the statutes of the catholike church.
Let them First take of them this Confessi, and that under their handwriting, that they promise with all consent, to observe the statutes of the catholic Church.
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Whereas therefore we have at this time many Osiandrians amongst us, and manie over-busie in searching and trieng to make new quarrels of matters before compounded, you see what spirits they are,
Whereas Therefore we have At this time many Osiandrians among us, and many overbusy in searching and trying to make new quarrels of matters before compounded, you see what spirits they Are,
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When the Queenes most excellent Majestie had first obtained the crowne, (which God of his great mercie grant she may long enjoy) as a most zealous Salomon, Iehosaphat, and Iosias, hir principal care was,
When the Queens most excellent Majesty had First obtained the crown, (which God of his great mercy grant she may long enjoy) as a most zealous Solomon, Jehoshaphat, and Iosias, his principal care was,
The apologie of the church of England which shortly after was set foorth to the justifieng of our doctrine, with the reasons of our mislike of popery, hath ever since obtained principall commendation amongst all the apologies and confessions, which hitherto have beene set foorth by any church in christendome.
The apology of the Church of England which shortly After was Set forth to the justicing of our Doctrine, with the Reasons of our mislike of popery, hath ever since obtained principal commendation among all the apologies and confessions, which hitherto have been Set forth by any Church in Christendom.
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or would ever have dreamed of such division, of intollerable bitternes against the maintainers of it? It must be confessed for a truth, that Barnard saith upon the like occasion;
or would ever have dreamed of such division, of intolerable bitterness against the maintainers of it? It must be confessed for a truth, that Barnard Says upon the like occasion;
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Fratrum odia acerbissima: When brethren fall out, they growe to great extremities. The Papists did never deale with more egernes against us than these men do now.
Fratrum Odia acerbissima: When brothers fallen out, they grow to great extremities. The Papists did never deal with more egernes against us than these men do now.
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O amentes Galatae, quis vos fascinavit ne obsequeremini veritati? O you foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that you should either thus deprave or revolt from the truth.
Oh Amentes Galatae, quis vos fascinavit ne obsequeremini Veritati? Oh you foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that you should either thus deprave or revolt from the truth.
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Againe, as touching the Communion booke, you knowe what quarels are picked against it, although for mine owne opinion there is not the like this day extant in Christendome.
Again, as touching the Communion book, you know what quarrels Are picked against it, although for mine own opinion there is not the like this day extant in Christendom.
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But yet not long after there were againe, who affirming the same to resemble the Masse booke, Divisionis occasionem arripiebant: Did greedily hunt (as Alesius saith) for occasion of division.
But yet not long After there were again, who affirming the same to resemble the Mass book, Divisionis occasionem arripiebant: Did greedily hunt (as Alesius Says) for occasion of division.
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Whereupon Archbishop Cranmer procuring the same booke to be translated into Latin, and requiring M. Bucers judgement of it, received this his approbation:
Whereupon Archbishop Cranmer procuring the same book to be translated into Latin, and requiring M. Bucers judgement of it, received this his approbation:
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Vpon this occasion the booke was againe carefully survaied and almost in every point (which then was so cavilled at and wrested) corrected and amended.
Upon this occasion the book was again carefully surveyed and almost in every point (which then was so caviled At and wrested) corrected and amended.
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Archbishop Cranmer likewise being provoked therunto, did offer a challenge to all the papists living, that if he might obtaine the Queenes favor to take unto him Peter Martir, and fower or five others whom he would choose, they would togither defend the fore-said reformation, (naming withal the Communion booke) to be in everie point agreeable to the word of God:
Archbishop Cranmer likewise being provoked thereunto, did offer a challenge to all the Papists living, that if he might obtain the Queens favour to take unto him Peter Martyr's, and fower or five Others whom he would choose, they would together defend the foresaid Reformation, (naming withal the Communion book) to be in every point agreeable to the word of God:
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Another also in those daies, as it appeereth in a Preface before Archbishoppe Cranmers booke of unwritten verities, writeth of the Cōmunion book in this maner.
another also in those days, as it appeareth in a Preface before Archbishop Cranmers book of unwritten verities, Writeth of the Communion book in this manner.
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Furthermore, the godlie fathers (who then were fled, and for the libertie of their consciences lived in exile) using in their meetings this forme and order of publike praier:
Furthermore, the godly Father's (who then were fled, and for the liberty of their Consciences lived in exile) using in their meetings this Form and order of public prayer:
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Whereunto the godly father answered again in these words, (which he said he thought should be the last that ever he should write.) Alas that brother Knoxe could not beare with our booke of Common praier, in matters against which;
Whereunto the godly father answered again in these words, (which he said he Thought should be the last that ever he should write.) Alas that brother Knox could not bear with our book of Common prayer, in matters against which;
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Afterward when it pleased almighty God to blesse this Realme with the happie governement of our Soveraigne Ladie the Queenes most excellent Majestie that now is (whom almightie God long preserve, with all health and prosperitie to rule & governe us) the saide booke in some points bettered togither with the truth of christian religion, established in hir brothers daies, was againe through Gods favor and hir goodnes restored unto us.
Afterwards when it pleased almighty God to bless this Realm with the happy government of our Sovereign Lady the Queens most excellent Majesty that now is (whom almighty God long preserve, with all health and Prosperity to Rule & govern us) the said book in Some points bettered together with the truth of christian Religion, established in his Brother's days, was again through God's favour and his Goodness restored unto us.
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Our service, is good and Godlie, everie title grounded on holie scriptures, and with what face do you call it darkenes? Sure with the same that the prophesies of the holie Ghost were sometimes called dreames, the doctrine of the apostles heresie,
Our service, is good and Godly, every title grounded on holy Scriptures, and with what face do you call it darkness? Sure with the same that the prophecies of the holy Ghost were sometime called dreams, the Doctrine of the Apostles heresy,
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And a little before, O Master Harding, turne to your writings, examine your authorities, consider your councels, apply your examples, looke if any line be blameable in our service booke,
And a little before, Oh Master Harding, turn to your writings, examine your authorities, Consider your Counsels, apply your Examples, look if any line be blameable in our service book,
Heerby you see, deerly belooved, what account was made of this booke in times past, & that by men neither for life nor learning, to be any way contemned.
Hereby you see, dearly Beloved, what account was made of this book in times past, & that by men neither for life nor learning, to be any Way contemned.
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and other good learnings therunto appertaining, were compassed about, belike with such thicke clouds and mistes of papable darknes, that they could in a maner see nothing.
and other good learning's thereunto appertaining, were compassed about, belike with such thick Clouds and mists of papable darkness, that they could in a manner see nothing.
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For they are not afraid, even as hath been saide, with the same faces, that the prophesies of the holie Ghost were sometimes called dreames, the doctrine of the Apostles heresie,
For they Are not afraid, even as hath been said, with the same faces, that the prophecies of the holy Ghost were sometime called dreams, the Doctrine of the Apostles heresy,
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and our Savior Christ a Samaritane, to publish in their writings, that the foresaid booke so notably approoved, hath in it at the least above 500. errors.
and our Saviour christ a Samaritan, to publish in their writings, that the foresaid book so notably approved, hath in it At the least above 500. errors.
That It is full of corruption, confusion, and prophanation: that the orders therein prescribed are carnall, beggerly, dung, drosse, lowsie, and antichristian.
That It is full of corruption, confusion, and profanation: that the order therein prescribed Are carnal, beggarly, dung, dross, lousy, and Antichristian.
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I have read, that if any thing, fact, writing, lawe or whatsoever may in reasonable construction admit two interpretations, the best and the mildest is ever to be received.
I have read, that if any thing, fact, writing, law or whatsoever may in reasonable construction admit two interpretations, the best and the Mildest is ever to be received.
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And the civill lawyers have these rules; Semper in dubiis benigniora sunt praeferenda: Alwaies in doubtfull matters the more benigne are to be preferred.
And the civil Lawyers have these rules; Semper in dubiis benigniora sunt praeferenda: Always in doubtful matters the more benign Are to be preferred.
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Non sunt rejiciendae leges quae interpretatione aliqua possunt convenire: Lawes must not be rejected, which by any reasonable interpretation may be reconciled.
Non sunt rejiciendae leges Quae Interpretation Any possunt Convenire: Laws must not be rejected, which by any reasonable Interpretation may be reconciled.
By these and many other the like perswasions we labor to withdraw them from their wringing and wresting (with such bitternes) those things in the Cōmunion booke:
By these and many other the like persuasions we labour to withdraw them from their wringing and wresting (with such bitterness) those things in the Communion book:
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for now some of them through a swelling pride of their own conceits (which as it is commonly noted, hath cast them into a kind of frensie) are not afraid to lay this slander upon the church,
for now Some of them through a swelling pride of their own conceits (which as it is commonly noted, hath cast them into a kind of frenzy) Are not afraid to lay this slander upon the Church,
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and order for the administration of Sacraments, or any open forme for the outward profession of our religion, allowed at all hitherto by the lawes of the Realme.
and order for the administration of Sacraments, or any open Form for the outward profession of our Religion, allowed At all hitherto by the laws of the Realm.
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Another sort likewise there are, that will not give their heads for the washing, who of their goodnes are content to allowe us a booke and forme of publike praier confirmed by law,
another sort likewise there Are, that will not give their Heads for the washing, who of their Goodness Are content to allow us a book and Form of public prayer confirmed by law,
seeing they are so greatlie offended with this booke, what is it they desire themselves? Forsooth a booke they could be contented to have ▪ but it must 〈 ◊ 〉 of their owne making.
seeing they Are so greatly offended with this book, what is it they desire themselves? Forsooth a book they could be contented to have ▪ but it must 〈 ◊ 〉 of their own making.
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About fower yeeres since, some two or three private men in a corner framed a booke of the forme of common praier, administration of the Sacraments, &c. And without any authoritie published the same,
About fower Years since, Some two or three private men in a corner framed a book of the Form of Common prayer, administration of the Sacraments, etc. And without any Authority published the same,
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For woulde you thinke that in a booke of this nature describing so perfect a platforme of Church governement, the civill magistrate should bee quite forgotten? Was there ever untill this daie anie publike confession set foorth by any true church in the world,
For would you think that in a book of this nature describing so perfect a platform of Church government, the civil magistrate should be quite forgotten? Was there ever until this day any public Confessi Set forth by any true Church in the world,
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since the prophesies were fulfilled (as Saint Augustine saith) that Kings and Queenes shoulde bee the fosterers and nurses of the church, where for any supremacy or government of persons,
since the prophecies were fulfilled (as Saint Augustine Says) that Kings and Queens should be the fosterers and Nurse's of the Church, where for any supremacy or government of Persons,
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and in causes ecclesiasticall the civill magistrate is wholie left out? Can there be in a christian common-weale such an absolute order of ecclesiasticall government,
and in Causes ecclesiastical the civil magistrate is wholly left out? Can there be in a christian commonweal such an absolute order of ecclesiastical government,
as they brag of, set downe for the only forme, which is necessarie to be observed without anie mention of the civill magistrate? Let this sinke into your harts as it shall please God:
as they brag of, Set down for the only Form, which is necessary to be observed without any mention of the civil magistrate? Let this sink into your hearts as it shall please God:
The whole forme & order of it, was in a maner changed (they are so constant) and in other places and points of matter, there are not so few as 600. alterations.
The Whole Form & order of it, was in a manner changed (they Are so constant) and in other places and points of matter, there Are not so few as 600. alterations.
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but that in so cold and sparing a sort, as in my opinion, there is not a priest in Wisbich who will refuse (the circumstances thereof being considered) to subscribe unto it. But to goe forward:
but that in so cold and sparing a sort, as in my opinion, there is not a priest in Wisbech who will refuse (the Circumstances thereof being considered) to subscribe unto it. But to go forward:
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For a simple man would conceive thereby that their purpose is, we should have a prescribed and set forme of publike praier to be used from time to time in our severall congregations:
For a simple man would conceive thereby that their purpose is, we should have a prescribed and Set Form of public prayer to be used from time to time in our several congregations:
as that when the minister shall begin with any praier, understanding before the drift thereof, their harts might fullie concurre with him in every particular sentence,
as that when the minister shall begin with any prayer, understanding before the drift thereof, their hearts might Fully concur with him in every particular sentence,
And how by such kinde of praiers you are like to be edified, and in what danger you are thereby left, he is of simple judgement that cannot discerne it.
And how by such kind of Prayers you Are like to be edified, and in what danger you Are thereby left, he is of simple judgement that cannot discern it.
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Now what worship or praiers do you use? I am ashamed to name the boldnes and follie of some who scarce able to utter three words orderly, will yet take upon them to bable out a tedious, long and stuttering praier, wherein every tenth worde shall be the repeating of, O heavenly father, O mercifull father, O deere father, O good Lord, O mercifull God, &c. and all things so foolishly packed togither, that their praieng seemeth rather to be the pratling of an infant that would tell some great tale but can not hit of it. Thus far the reformer:
Now what worship or Prayers do you use? I am ashamed to name the boldness and folly of Some who scarce able to utter three words orderly, will yet take upon them to babble out a tedious, long and stuttering prayer, wherein every tenth word shall be the repeating of, Oh heavenly father, Oh merciful father, Oh deer father, Oh good Lord, Oh merciful God, etc. and all things so foolishly packed together, that their praying seems rather to be the prattling of an infant that would tell Some great tale but can not hit of it. Thus Far the reformer:
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For sometimes they will so wander either by error or malice, in framing their praiers answerable to their affections (which are oftentimes malitiously bent against any thing or matter wherewith they are displeased;) that no true christian,
For sometime they will so wander either by error or malice, in framing their Prayers answerable to their affections (which Are oftentimes maliciously bent against any thing or matter wherewith they Are displeased;) that no true christian,
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These inconveniences have been long since foreseen, and for the avoiding of them, the church hath ever tied hir ministers in their ordinarie and publike service,
These inconveniences have been long since foreseen, and for the avoiding of them, the Church hath ever tied his Ministers in their ordinary and public service,
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About 1200. yeeres ago it was decreed in the councell of Milevitanum: placuit, ut preces, &c. Quae probatae fuerint in Concilio, ab omnibus celebrentur,
About 1200. Years ago it was decreed in the council of Milevitanum: Placuit, ut preces, etc. Quae probatae fuerint in Concilio, ab omnibus celebrentur,
For though he cunningly would seeme to shew his malice onely against bishops: yet hath he left to be implied the verie same reasons against the civill magistrate.
For though he cunningly would seem to show his malice only against Bishops: yet hath he left to be implied the very same Reasons against the civil magistrate.
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Whosoever doe take upon them, or usurpe the same authoritie in causes ecclesiastical within their dominions, which the Pope had, they are pettie Popes: But hir Majestie doth so:
Whosoever do take upon them, or usurp the same Authority in Causes ecclesiastical within their Dominions, which the Pope had, they Are Petty Popes: But his Majesty does so:
When it pleased almightie God to deliver this Realme of Englande from the bondage and thraldome of the B. of Rome, it was thought agreeable to the word of God, by the chiefest and best learned men of the religion in all Christendome, that not onely the title of supreme governor over all persons,
When it pleased almighty God to deliver this Realm of England from the bondage and thraldom of the B. of Rome, it was Thought agreeable to the word of God, by the chiefest and best learned men of the Religion in all Christendom, that not only the title of supreme governor over all Persons,
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but likewise all honors, dignities, preeminences, jurisdictions, privileges, authorities, immunities, profits, and commodities, which by usurpation at any time did appertaine to the Pope.
but likewise all honours, dignities, preeminences, jurisdictions, privileges, authorities, immunities, profits, and commodities, which by usurpation At any time did appertain to the Pope.
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that he is the chiefest in the decision and determination of church causes: that he hath ordinarie authoritie for making all lawes, ceremonies, and constitutions of the church:
that he is the chiefest in the decision and determination of Church Causes: that he hath ordinary Authority for making all laws, ceremonies, and constitutions of the Church:
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and lastly, that al appellations, which before were made to Rome, should ever be made heerafter to his Majesties chaūcerie to be ended and determined,
and lastly, that all appellations, which before were made to Room, should ever be made hereafter to his Majesties chancery to be ended and determined,
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Amongst manie bookes which have been written to this purpose, you shall finde these very learnedly penned: one De vera differentia Regiae potestatis & ecclesiasticae:
among many books which have been written to this purpose, you shall find these very learnedly penned: one De vera differentia Regiae potestatis & Ecclesiastical:
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and Iohn Stokeslie Bishop of London, write a short treatise in forme of a letter to cardinall Poole then resiant in Rome, very effectually compiled to the same effect.
and John Stokeslie Bishop of London, write a short treatise in Form of a Letter to cardinal Poole then resiant in Room, very effectually compiled to the same Effect.
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Lastly, you cannot but remember with what learning and authoritie this matter hath been defended by Bishop Iewell against Harding, by Bishop Horne against Fecknam, by the Deane of Paules against Dorman, by doctor Ackwoorth (as it is supposed) against Saunders, and by divers others,
Lastly, you cannot but Remember with what learning and Authority this matter hath been defended by Bishop Jewel against Harding, by Bishop Horn against Feckenham, by the Deane of Paul's against Dorman, by Doctor Ackwoorth (as it is supposed) against Sanders, and by diverse Others,
and the issue betwixt them was ever this, whether the king within his dominions, or the B. of Rome, might by the word of god rightly challenge the foresaid authoritie.
and the issue betwixt them was ever this, whither the King within his Dominions, or the B. of Rome, might by the word of god rightly challenge the foresaid Authority.
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and therefore I have thought good to make this matter more plaine unto you by a very manifest example, authorised in a declaration published by the king of Scots.
and Therefore I have Thought good to make this matter more plain unto you by a very manifest Exampl, authorised in a declaration published by the King of Scots.
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About some sixe or seaven yeeres ago (as I do imagine) certaine men of the new government, intending the erection of these presbyteries in Scotland, began their parts and proceeded as followeth.
About Some sixe or seaven Years ago (as I do imagine) certain men of the new government, intending the erection of these presbyteries in Scotland, began their parts and proceeded as follows.
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whereupon in his minoritie, a certaine number of ministers gathering to themselves certaine gentlemen, and divers others, did erect by their owne authoritie their ecclesiasticall senates:
whereupon in his minority, a certain number of Ministers gathering to themselves certain gentlemen, and diverse Others, did erect by their own Authority their ecclesiastical senates:
and usurping all the whole ecclesiasticall jurisdiction, did alter the lawes at their owne pleasures, without the knowledge and approbation, either of the king or state.
and usurping all the Whole ecclesiastical jurisdiction, did altar the laws At their own pleasures, without the knowledge and approbation, either of the King or state.
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directing their commissioners to the king, and commanding him and the counsell, under paine of excommunication never afterwards to appoint any more Bishops,
directing their commissioners to the King, and commanding him and the counsel, under pain of excommunication never afterwards to appoint any more Bishops,
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Besides, divers of the ministers having preached very factious and seditious doctrine, and being in that respect called before the king to answer the complaints made against them, they utterly disclaimed the kings authoritie,
Beside, diverse of the Ministers having preached very factious and seditious Doctrine, and being in that respect called before the King to answer the complaints made against them, they utterly disclaimed the Kings Authority,
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as an incompetent judge, alleaging for themselves, that for such matters as were spoken in the pulpit, they ought to be exempt from the judgement and correction of princes, denieng his authoritie flatly in causes ecclesiasticall.
as an incompetent judge, alleging for themselves, that for such matters as were spoken in the pulpit, they ought to be exempt from the judgement and correction of Princes, denying his Authority flatly in Causes ecclesiastical.
The king giving cōmandement upon the saterday, to certain noble men for the feasting of the embassador of France in Edenborough the next monday after:
The King giving Commandment upon the saterday, to certain noble men for the feasting of the ambassador of France in Edinburgh the next monday After:
So as whilest the lords & the chiefe of the citie, according to the kings commandement, were about the intertainment of the embassador, the ministers one after another all the daie long in their severall sermons were bitterlie inveighing against them:
So as whilst the Lords & the chief of the City, according to the Kings Commandment, were about the entertainment of the ambassador, the Ministers one After Another all the day long in their several Sermons were bitterly inveighing against them:
these men in their assemblie (esteeming their judgement to bee the soveraigne judgement of the Realme) did not onely approove the same fact as lawful, contrary to the said act of Parleament,
these men in their assembly (esteeming their judgement to be the sovereign judgement of the Realm) did not only approve the same fact as lawful, contrary to the said act of Parliament,
how under the pretence of their presbyteries, they trod upon his scepter, and labored to establish an ecclesiasticall tyranny of an infinite jurisdiction, such as neither the law of God or man could tollerate:
how under the pretence of their presbyteries, they trod upon his sceptre, and laboured to establish an ecclesiastical tyranny of an infinite jurisdiction, such as neither the law of God or man could tolerate:
and that he must either discharge himselfe of the crowne, or the ministerie of that forme of government, by the consent & act of Parliament, 1584. he overthrew their presbyteries,
and that he must either discharge himself of the crown, or the Ministry of that Form of government, by the consent & act of Parliament, 1584. he overthrew their presbyteries,
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And what cause he had to proceed against them as he did, although it be great boldnes in such a case, not to rest satisfied in the worde of such a king:
And what cause he had to proceed against them as he did, although it be great boldness in such a case, not to rest satisfied in the word of such a King:
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yet for your better understanding, what to thinke of this kinde of government (for never a barrell will proove the better herring) you shall heare the opinion of one of our owne countrie-men, who was in Scotland about the same time,
yet for your better understanding, what to think of this kind of government (for never a barrel will prove the better herring) you shall hear the opinion of one of our own countrymen, who was in Scotland about the same time,
and those the officers according to those names which seeke their owne discipline, that then in steede of one Pope we shoulde have a 1000. and of some lord Bishops in name a 1000. Lordlie tyrants in deed, which nowe do disdaine the names.
and those the Officers according to those names which seek their own discipline, that then in steed of one Pope we should have a 1000. and of Some lord Bishops in name a 1000. Lordly Tyrants in deed, which now do disdain the names.
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it shall appeere by your presbyterie or eldermen, that indeede you are and will be the aldermen even to pull the most ancient of all, Christ Iesus himselfe by the beard:
it shall appear by your presbytery or aldermen, that indeed you Are and will be the aldermen even to pull the most ancient of all, christ Iesus himself by the beard:
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and pride would not streame from that name, even as fire from a blasing star to set on fire the whole worlde? For every busie foole, the more busie he were in discrediting others,
and pride would not stream from that name, even as fire from a blazing star to Set on fire the Whole world? For every busy fool, the more busy he were in discrediting Others,
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For commonly it comes to passe, when rash men run hedlong into any new devises, that Posteriores cogitationes solent esse sapientiores: their after wits are best.
For commonly it comes to pass, when rash men run headlong into any new devises, that Posterior Cogitations solent esse sapientiores: their After wits Are best.
I must indeed confesse, that if this matter had onely depended upon his report, or opinion I would not at this time have made mention of him. But it is far otherwise.
I must indeed confess, that if this matter had only depended upon his report, or opinion I would not At this time have made mention of him. But it is Far otherwise.
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I beseech you brethren, especially you that have beene brought up in learning, and are able to looke into this cause, do but consider how the cheefe magistrates have beene used and dealt withall, wheresoever this absolute government which they speak of, hath been erected.
I beseech you brothers, especially you that have been brought up in learning, and Are able to look into this cause, do but Consider how the chief Magistrates have been used and dealt withal, wheresoever this absolute government which they speak of, hath been erected.
the booke intituled Vindiciae contra tyrannos: another De jure regni apud Scotos: The dialogs of Eusebius Philadelphus, with sundry other of that sort:
the book entitled Vindiciae contra tyrannos: Another De jure Regni apud Scots: The dialogues of Eusebius Philadelphus, with sundry other of that sort:
The people that do not resist the Prince affecting the seat of God (that is claiming supremacie in causes ecclesiasticall) do as it were offer sacrifice to idols.
The people that do not resist the Prince affecting the seat of God (that is claiming supremacy in Causes ecclesiastical) do as it were offer sacrifice to Idols.
If Princes do hinder them that seeke for this discipline, they are tyrants both to the church and ministers (saith one of them:) And being tyrants they may be deposed by their subjects, as they do generally all of them hold.
If Princes do hinder them that seek for this discipline, they Are Tyrants both to the Church and Ministers (Says one of them:) And being Tyrants they may be deposed by their subject's, as they do generally all of them hold.
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Onely in generalitie it may please you to understand what is written to this purpose in a booke printed at Geneva, & compiled by three or foure whose names I know not.
Only in generality it may please you to understand what is written to this purpose in a book printed At Geneva, & compiled by three or foure whose names I know not.
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Hir majestie (for whose happie estate and long life he that will not praie unto almightie God, deserveth neither state nor life in this common wealth) in that she taketh upon hir to rule as she doth in matters concerning the church, according to the lawfull authoritie which is united unto hir crowne, is by these men cunningly resembled unto all the wicked kings and others, of whom we read in the scriptures, that they took upon them unlawfully to intrude themselves into the priests office:
His majesty (for whose happy estate and long life he that will not pray unto almighty God, deserveth neither state nor life in this Common wealth) in that she Takes upon his to Rule as she does in matters Concerning the Church, according to the lawful Authority which is united unto his crown, is by these men cunningly resembled unto all the wicked Kings and Others, of whom we read in the Scriptures, that they took upon them unlawfully to intrude themselves into the Priests office:
That no civill magistrate hath such authoritie, as that without his consent it should not be lawfull for ecclesiasticall persons to make and publish church orders.
That no civil magistrate hath such Authority, as that without his consent it should not be lawful for ecclesiastical Persons to make and publish Church order.
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And whereas Master Harding saith, that the office of a king in it selfe is one everie where, not onely among the Christian princes, but also among the heathen:
And whereas Master Harding Says, that the office of a King in it self is one every where, not only among the Christian Princes, but also among the heathen:
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Master Cartwright alloweth of his judgement, and doth expressely affirme, that he is of the same opinion, professing his mislike of those who teach another right of a Christian, and of a prophane magistrate.
Master Cartwright alloweth of his judgement, and does expressly affirm, that he is of the same opinion, professing his mislike of those who teach Another right of a Christian, and of a profane magistrate.
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I knowe how some of them shuffle to avoid this accusation, pretending that they give the prince more than Potestatem facti: For our men do thinke they may say what they list,
I know how Some of them shuffle to avoid this accusation, pretending that they give the Prince more than Potestatem facti: For our men do think they may say what they list,
marie Gellius Snecanus he dealeth more plainly, and commending this distinction, saith in expresse words, that Controversia juris doth pertaine to the ministerie:
marry Gellius Snecanus he deals more plainly, and commending this distinction, Says in express words, that Controversy Juris does pertain to the Ministry:
Licet facti executio in politic is sit penes civilem magistratum: although the execution of the fact in civill causes do appertaine to the civill magistrate.
Licet facti Execution in politic is fit penes civilem magistratum: although the execution of the fact in civil Causes do appertain to the civil magistrate.
Now seing, deerly beloved, how far these men are gone already upon their own heads, who knoweth whether in short time they will not disclaime hir Majesties authoritie,
Now sing, dearly Beloved, how Far these men Are gone already upon their own Heads, who Knoweth whither in short time they will not disclaim his Majesties Authority,
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If this reformation (said on of them, when he was of that humor) be not hastened forward by the magistrate, the subjects ought not any longer to tarie for him, but do it themselves.
If this Reformation (said on of them, when he was of that humour) be not hastened forward by the magistrate, the subject's ought not any longer to tarry for him, but do it themselves.
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The author of the second Admonition (against whom, as I thinke, there will no exception be taken (affirmeth, that he and his fellowes Are forced in conscience to speake for this newe order,
The author of the second Admonition (against whom, as I think, there will no exception be taken (Affirmeth, that he and his Fellows are forced in conscience to speak for this new order,
Another is likewise very peremptorie and resolute, that the Presbyterie must prevaile: and if it come to passe (saith he to the Bb.) by that means which will make your harts to ake, blame your selves.
another is likewise very peremptory and resolute, that the Presbytery must prevail: and if it come to pass (Says he to the Bb.) by that means which will make your hearts to ache, blame your selves.
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and bring in the reformation which they looke for, whether hir Majestie will or no. Let the place be considered, whether I have attained to his meaning.
and bring in the Reformation which they look for, whither his Majesty will or no. Let the place be considered, whither I have attained to his meaning.
For how can he conceive that such a thing should be brought to passe (if hir majesty do hir best to withstande it) without a rebellion at the least, that I may go no farther.
For how can he conceive that such a thing should be brought to pass (if his majesty do his best to withstand it) without a rebellion At the least, that I may go no farther.
For seeing these spirits of ours do follow so exactly, and with such hot pursuite, the outlandish precepts, touching the forme of their new governement, is it not to be provided for,
For seeing these spirits of ours do follow so exactly, and with such hight pursuit, the outlandish Precepts, touching the Form of their new government, is it not to be provided for,
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and in a verie great congregation did without controlment, convention, or binding over either to sessions or assises, set on broch the doctrine of the former propositions for violent reformation.
and in a very great congregation did without controlment, convention, or binding over either to sessions or assizes, Set on broach the Doctrine of the former propositions for violent Reformation.
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and laboured verie earnestly to perswade his auditorie, that in France it was lawfull for the people or inferiour magistrates, to compel their prince to a reformation of any such deformities:
and laboured very earnestly to persuade his auditory, that in France it was lawful for the people or inferior Magistrates, to compel their Prince to a Reformation of any such deformities:
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but if they be true, then I trust you will confesse the necessitie of this exhortation (so far as concerneth your duties) which heer the Apostle maketh: Charissimi nolite omni spiritui credere.
but if they be true, then I trust you will confess the necessity of this exhortation (so Far as concerns your duties) which her the Apostle makes: Charissimi nolite omni Spiritui Believe.
Saint Paule in his epistle to Titus doth straightlie in him commande us, that after one or two admonitions, we should avoide the companie of an heretike.
Saint Paul in his epistle to Titus does straightly in him command us, that After one or two admonitions, we should avoid the company of an heretic.
For saie they, if he had written the same to civill magistrates, he would have bidden them after one or two admonitions, to have punished with due severitie all such kinde of persons.
For say they, if he had written the same to civil Magistrates, he would have bidden them After one or two admonitions, to have punished with due severity all such kind of Persons.
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The apostle exhorteth you that be private men, that you beleeve not everie spirit, but concerning you that be magistrates, I am assured the apostolicall doctrine doth commande you, that by your authoritie you carefullie indevor to suppresse such spirits.
The apostle exhorteth you that be private men, that you believe not every Spirit, but Concerning you that be Magistrates, I am assured the apostolical Doctrine does command you, that by your Authority you carefully endeavour to suppress such spirits.
Martin affirmeth that the Bishops are in fault, that there are so manie schismes this daie amongst us, and I confesse, I am my selfe in some part of his opinion.
Martin Affirmeth that the Bishops Are in fault, that there Are so many schisms this day among us, and I confess, I am my self in Some part of his opinion.
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Nay surely mine opinion is, that if there were not some, (whether Bishops or men of as great or greater authoritie) that doe in some sort favor these spirits, they would never have growen either in number so manie,
Nay surely mine opinion is, that if there were not Some, (whither Bishops or men of as great or greater Authority) that doe in Some sort favour these spirits, they would never have grown either in number so many,
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Nemini verbum facere in mentem veniret, nisi quisquiliae hominum viderent se proceribus officium praestare, ac paratam sibi esse maledicentiae mercedem:
Nobody verbum facere in mentem veniret, nisi Quisquiliae hominum viderent se proceribus officium praestare, ac paratam sibi esse maledicentiae mercedem:
None woulde ever have opened their mouthes in this sort, except the base and rascall sort of men had seene that thereby they shoulde gratifie some men in authority, and were to be rewarded:
None would ever have opened their mouths in this sort, except the base and rascal sort of men had seen that thereby they should gratify Some men in Authority, and were to be rewarded:
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Hir majestie is depraved, hir authoritie is impugned, & great dangers are threatned. Civill government is called into question: princes prerogatives are curiouslie scanned:
His majesty is depraved, his Authority is impugned, & great dangers Are threatened. Civil government is called into question: Princes prerogatives Are curiously scanned:
But yet (as Cicero saith) if they will gaggle and make a noise in the daie time without any cause, Opinor iis crura suffringantur: I thinke it very fit they be rapt on the shinnes.
But yet (as Cicero Says) if they will gaggle and make a noise in the day time without any cause, Opinor iis crura suffringantur: I think it very fit they be rapt on the shins.
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Zanchius in his epistle before his answere to Holderus the Arrian, being greatly mooved with the like schismatikes in Germanie, doth crie out in the bitternes of his hart, O tempora, O mores:
Zanchius in his epistle before his answer to Holderus the Arrian, being greatly moved with the like Schismatics in Germany, does cry out in the bitterness of his heart, O tempora, O mores:
good Lord what times are these wherein we live, and howe are men in their maners growen to be monstrous? I beseech almightie God (saith he) (using the verie words which Alexander Bishop of Constantinople upon the like occasion had once used) that either it would please his majestie to represse Hor• … m incendiariorum nefarios conatus:
good Lord what times Are these wherein we live, and how Are men in their manners grown to be monstrous? I beseech almighty God (Says he) (using the very words which Alexander Bishop of Constantinople upon the like occasion had once used) that either it would please his majesty to repress Hor• … m incendiariorum nefarios conatus:
The wicked attempts of these firebrāds, or else to take me out of this life, that I may never behold the miseries and calamities which of necessitie thereby must fall upon the church.
The wicked attempts of these firebrands, or Else to take me out of this life, that I may never behold the misery's and calamities which of necessity thereby must fallen upon the Church.
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Cur enim unicuique quicquid lubet scribere, & in quemvis pro sua libidine debacchari, eaque ratione ecclesias perdere permittitur? For why is everie one suffered (saith he) to write what he liste,
Cur enim unicuique quicquid lubet Scribere, & in quemvis Pro sua libidine debacchari, eaque ratione Ecclesiastes Perdere permittitur? For why is every one suffered (Says he) to write what he list,
and therefore take heed of those who shall indevor, through lies and slanders, to make the truth and the preachers thereof odious and hatefull unto you. For as the Apostle writeth;
and Therefore take heed of those who shall endeavour, through lies and slanders, to make the truth and the Preachers thereof odious and hateful unto you. For as the Apostle Writeth;
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yea they would exclude you from the doctrine you have received at our hands, and from the affection and love, which you once bare unto us, that ye might altogither love them, and followe their devises.
yea they would exclude you from the Doctrine you have received At our hands, and from the affection and love, which you once bore unto us, that you might altogether love them, and follow their devises.
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And that is the end of their railing and libelling. Mos semper fuit haereticorum, quorum doctrinam non possunt confutare, illorum vitam in odium adducere:
And that is the end of their railing and libeling. Mos semper fuit haereticorum, quorum Doctrinam non possunt confutare, Illorum vitam in odium adducere:
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and against the chiefe maintainers of it, and that for conscience sake, and for the glory of Sion they are driven to use such more than tragicall outcries.
and against the chief maintainers of it, and that for conscience sake, and for the glory of Sion they Are driven to use such more than tragical Outcries.
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But Bernard will not suffer them to hide their malice under these masks, who writing against certaine schismatikes in his time, saith, Alii quidem nudè atque irreverenter, uti in buccam venerit, virus evomunt detractionis:
But Bernard will not suffer them to hide their malice under these masks, who writing against certain Schismatics in his time, Says, Alii quidem nudè atque irreverenter, uti in Buccam venerit, virus evomunt detractionis:
Mary others there be, who cover their malice more cunningly, nay more hypocritically, as though all they said proceeded of meere love and Christian charitie, of whom it followeth; Vide as praemitti alta suspiria:
Mary Others there be, who cover their malice more cunningly, nay more hypocritically, as though all they said proceeded of mere love and Christian charity, of whom it follows; Vide as praemitti Alta Suspiria:
sicque quadam cum gravitate, vultu moesto, demissis superciliis & voce plangenti egredi maledictionem, & quidem tanto persuasibiliorem, quanto creditur ab hiis qui audiunt corde invito & magis condolentis affectus, quàm malitiose proferri:
Such Quadam cum gravitate, vultu moesto, demissis superciliis & voce plangenti egredi maledictionem, & quidem tanto persuasibiliorem, quanto creditur ab Isis qui Audiunt cord invito & magis condolentis affectus, quàm malitiose proferri:
You shall see some, that after they have fet divers great sighes and grones, will presently with great gravitie and drawing out of their words, with a heavy countenance, with casting downe their heads,
You shall see Some, that After they have fetched diverse great sighs and groans, will presently with great gravity and drawing out of their words, with a heavy countenance, with casting down their Heads,
and with a pittifull voice, breath out malediction, the which men do rather beleeve, bicause it seemeth by such their hypocriticall dealing, rather to proceed of a sorrowfull compassion, than of malice and hatred.
and with a pitiful voice, breath out malediction, the which men do rather believe, Because it seems by such their hypocritical dealing, rather to proceed of a sorrowful compassion, than of malice and hatred.
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Furthermore, you shal have some that will come unto you with a long tale, protesting that they cannot refraine their teares, with the ancient men in Esra, to see the foundation of our new temple not to be answerable (as they say) to the beautie of the old.
Furthermore, you shall have Some that will come unto you with a long tale, protesting that they cannot refrain their tears, with the ancient men in Ezra, to see the Foundation of our new temple not to be answerable (as they say) to the beauty of the old.
and to florish, as they do, with the sinceritie and truth of Christian religion. They wil furthermore (the better to creep into your harts) pretend great humilitie,
and to flourish, as they do, with the sincerity and truth of Christian Religion. They will furthermore (the better to creep into your hearts) pretend great humility,
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As partly you may gather by the premisses, and partlie furthermore understand in that not onely they do use the verie same arguments for the soveraigne authoritie of their presbyteries (against the prince) in causes ecclesiasticall:
As partly you may gather by the premises, and partly furthermore understand in that not only they do use the very same Arguments for the sovereign Authority of their presbyteries (against the Prince) in Causes ecclesiastical:
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or I thinke can be shewed by any:) but do likewise make to all our arguments for hir majesties supremacie against them, the very same answers, (if not word for worde,
or I think can be showed by any:) but do likewise make to all our Arguments for his majesties supremacy against them, the very same answers, (if not word for word,
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yet alwaies in effect) that Harding, Stapleton, Dorman, and Saunders have made to the same arguments, used by Bishop Iewell, Bishop, Horn, Master Nowell and others to the same purpose, and against the Pope.
yet always in Effect) that Harding, Stapleton, Dorman, and Sanders have made to the same Arguments, used by Bishop Jewel, Bishop, Horn, Master Noel and Others to the same purpose, and against the Pope.
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I cannot stande to enter into any particular examples of this matter, onely I thought it necessarie at this time to advertise you of it (take his advantage thereof who list) that you might the better beware of such kind of spirits.
I cannot stand to enter into any particular Examples of this matter, only I Thought it necessary At this time to advertise you of it (take his advantage thereof who list) that you might the better beware of such kind of spirits.
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You have heard them, I am sure, greatly exclaime against our Bb. livings, as though they had too much, therby to perswade you with what simple allowance they could content themselves:
You have herd them, I am sure, greatly exclaim against our Bb. livings, as though they had too much, thereby to persuade you with what simple allowance they could content themselves:
condemning you of the laitie, who either have or would have part with them, for cormorants, Dionysians, and for such wicked traitors against the church, as Iudas was against Christ.
condemning you of the laity, who either have or would have part with them, for cormorants, Dionysians, and for such wicked Traitors against the Church, as Iudas was against christ.
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and yet notwithstanding, if you will relie upon Saint Iames his opinion, and judge of them by the usage of their toongs, in their immodest speeches and libelling, you shall finde their profession thereof to be full of so great vanitie,
and yet notwithstanding, if you will rely upon Saint James his opinion, and judge of them by the usage of their tongues, in their immodest Speeches and libeling, you shall find their profession thereof to be full of so great vanity,
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yet (as Saint Bernard saith in the like case) Haerent ad singula quae injunguntur, exigunt de quibus { que } rationem, male suspicantur de omni praecepto,
yet (as Saint Bernard Says in the like case) Haerent ad singula Quae injunguntur, exigunt de quibus { que } rationem, male suspicantur de omni praecepto,
If they expound a place of Scripture, as they do that, whereof I spake before, Dic ecclesiae: and those likewise which they bring for the proofe of their aldermen:
If they expound a place of Scripture, as they do that, whereof I spoke before, Die ecclesiae: and those likewise which they bring for the proof of their aldermen:
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& be more then offended that any should examine or seem to mistrust them. I could bring you divers examples heerof, but one of ech sort shall suffice.
& be more then offended that any should examine or seem to mistrust them. I could bring you diverse Examples hereof, but one of each sort shall suffice.
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To proove the equalitie which they saie ought to be in the ministers of the worde and sacraments, they alledge Cyprian, Ambrose, &c. affirming that in those times there was no difference betwixt a Bishop and a priest,
To prove the equality which they say ought to be in the Ministers of the word and Sacraments, they allege Cyprian, Ambrose, etc. affirming that in those times there was no difference betwixt a Bishop and a priest,
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the ecclesiasticall histories report of those times otherwise, & within lesse then an hundreth yeeres after Cyprian, and either before or in Ambrose daies, it was condemned as an heresie,
the ecclesiastical histories report of those times otherwise, & within less then an Hundredth Years After Cyprian, and either before or in Ambrose days, it was condemned as an heresy,
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Againe to proove the authoritie of their Aldermen, (which do neither preach nor administer the sacraments) with the use and practise thereof in everie church long after the apostles times, they alledge certain places out of Ignatius, Tertullian, Hierome, &c. where mention is made of priesthood, of colledges, counsailes,
Again to prove the Authority of their Aldermen, (which do neither preach nor administer the Sacraments) with the use and practise thereof in every Church long After the Apostles times, they allege certain places out of Ignatius, Tertullian, Jerome, etc. where mention is made of priesthood, of Colleges, Counsels,
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Whereas besides that Master Calvin himselfe writing of the state of the church presently after the Apostles daies confesseth, that those priests were ministers of the word and sacraments:
Whereas beside that Master calvin himself writing of the state of the Church presently After the Apostles days Confesses, that those Priests were Ministers of the word and Sacraments:
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Habebant singulae civitates presbyterorum collegium, qui pastores erant & doctores: Everie citie had a college of priests which were pastors and doctors:
Habebant Singular Civitates Presbyterorum collegium, qui Pastors Erant & Doctors: Every City had a college of Priests which were Pastors and Doctors:
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the verie authors themselves almost in everie part of their works do call the said priests Sacerdotes, (which cannot agree to these lay aldermen) distinguishing them in direct termes, à Laicis from Lay-men:
the very Authors themselves almost in every part of their works do call the said Priests Sacerdotes, (which cannot agree to these lay aldermen) distinguishing them in Direct terms, à Laicis from Laymen:
For the better understanding whereof, you must know that the church of God ever since the apostles times, hath distributed the ecclesiasticall ministerie principallie into these three parts, Bishops, Priests, and Deacons:
For the better understanding whereof, you must know that the Church of God ever since the Apostles times, hath distributed the ecclesiastical Ministry principally into these three parts, Bishops, Priests, and Deacons:
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Credimus, varios in ecclesia esse ordines ministrorum: alios esse Diaconos, alios Presbyteros, alios Episcopos, quibus institutio populi & religionis cura & procuratio commissa est:
Credimus, varios in Church esse ordines Ministers: Alioth esse Diaconos, Alioth Presbyters, Alioth Episcopos, quibus Institution People & Religion Cure & procuratio Commissa est:
And upon this presumption and verie grosse falsification of all the ancient fathers, the chiefe ringleader in this crue is not afraid to use these words:
And upon this presumption and very gross falsification of all the ancient Father's, the chief ringleader in this crew is not afraid to use these words:
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For replie wherunto master Doctor Whitgift now Archbishop of Canterburie, having desired him that was so cunning in the ecclesiastical histories, to bring foorth but one that affirmeth this kinde of government to have been under Constantinus: about three yeeres after, he brought out Eusebius, who must do this feate for him:
For reply whereunto master Doctor Whitgift now Archbishop of Canterbury, having desired him that was so cunning in the ecclesiastical histories, to bring forth but one that Affirmeth this kind of government to have been under Constantinus: about three Years After, he brought out Eusebius, who must do this feat for him:
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But you shall heare this skilfull man in histories, howe he applieth the authoritie of Eusebius. It is manifest (saith he) that the churches were governed under him (meaning Constantinus) as before, by Bishops, Elders, and Deacons;
But you shall hear this skilful man in histories, how he Applieth the Authority of Eusebius. It is manifest (Says he) that the Churches were governed under him (meaning Constantinus) as before, by Bishops, Elders, and Deacons;
Heer you see how gladly this fellow would have you to beleeve, that this their governement so earnestly now sought for, did most of al florish about the time of the councel of Nice, that then there was no difference betwixt a Bishop and a minister of the worde,
Heer you see how gladly this fellow would have you to believe, that this their government so earnestly now sought for, did most of all flourish about the time of the council of Nicaenae, that then there was no difference betwixt a Bishop and a minister of the word,
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Whereas all the world knoweth, that Eusebius meaneth nothing els in that place, but to signify the great appeerance, from all places, of the clergie men, of all sorts, in that most honorable synod.
Whereas all the world Knoweth, that Eusebius means nothing Else in that place, but to signify the great appearance, from all places, of the Clergy men, of all sorts, in that most honourable synod.
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Nay it is manifest by the historie of those, and the former times, that as at the first for the repressing of schismes, Bishops had authoritie given them over the rest of the clergie,
Nay it is manifest by the history of those, and the former times, that as At the First for the repressing of schisms, Bishops had Authority given them over the rest of the Clergy,
it seemed good unto that councell, with the emperors consent, for the better government of them in like maner, to devide the whole body of Christendome into fower Patriarckships:
it seemed good unto that council, with the Emperor's consent, for the better government of them in like manner, to divide the Whole body of Christendom into fower Patriarckships:
And therefore as I said, so I saie againe my brethren, that if they shall alledge any of the said ancient fathers, councels or histories to proove the equalitie of ministers, the government of their Aldermen,
And Therefore as I said, so I say again my brothers, that if they shall allege any of thee said ancient Father's, Counsels or histories to prove the equality of Ministers, the government of their Aldermen,
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I might heere likewise put you in minde, how these prophets, who seeke to withdraw you from the church established, are rent in sunder, and divided amongst themselves.
I might Here likewise put you in mind, how these Prophets, who seek to withdraw you from the Church established, Are rend in sunder, and divided among themselves.
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You (saith one sort of them) in that you separate your selves from the publike assemblies in England, are growen to become plaine Donatists and heretikes:
You (Says one sort of them) in that you separate your selves from the public assemblies in England, Are grown to become plain Donatists and Heretics:
Do you see these things (deerly beloved) and will you not eschew them? Will you give your selves over to an unbridled course, the end whereof you know not? Shall men of such inconstancy lead you from the truth,
Do you see these things (dearly Beloved) and will you not eschew them? Will you give your selves over to an unbridled course, the end whereof you know not? Shall men of such inconstancy led you from the truth,
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and make you to imbrace those things, which you know to have been condemned with one consent by all the ancient fathers for heresies? If you will needes affect them still,
and make you to embrace those things, which you know to have been condemned with one consent by all the ancient Father's for heresies? If you will needs affect them still,
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yet let me, I beseech you, prevaile thus much with you, that untill, at the least, they agree amongst themselves, you will be content to give over any longer to follow them.
yet let me, I beseech you, prevail thus much with you, that until, At the least, they agree among themselves, you will be content to give over any longer to follow them.
In so doing, I doubt not, but you shall returne to your old love of the truth, imbrace with your former joies this your present reformation (which your neighbors adjoining would thinke themselves most happie to attaine:) and with all sobrietie and contentment, willingly and obediently submit your selves to obey these and the like exhortations, penned by the holy Ghost,
In so doing, I doubt not, but you shall return to your old love of the truth, embrace with your former Joys this your present Reformation (which your neighbours adjoining would think themselves most happy to attain:) and with all sobriety and contentment, willingly and obediently submit your selves to obey these and the like exhortations, penned by the holy Ghost,
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Whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are woorthy love, whatsoever things are of good report;
Whatsoever things Are true, whatsoever things Are honest, whatsoever things Are just, whatsoever things Are pure, whatsoever things Are worthy love, whatsoever things Are of good report;
Non convalescit planta quae saepe transfertur: that plant never prooveth, which oft is remooved. Suffer not your selves, as it were bowles, to be easily turned hither and thither.
Non convalescit Planta Quae saepe transfertur: that plant never proveth, which oft is removed. Suffer not your selves, as it were bowls, to be Easily turned hither and thither.
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It is very unmeete you should hencefoorth be any more as children, wavering & caried about like little boates with everie winde of doctrine by the deceit of men,
It is very unmeet you should henceforth be any more as children, wavering & carried about like little boats with every wind of Doctrine by the deceit of men,
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as of faith, sobriety, obedience, and constancie in the truth, and in the world to come obtain to your endles and everlasting comfort, that glorious and immortall crowne, which is purchased for the godlie, by the blood of the lambe that sitteth upon the throne of al glory.
as of faith, sobriety, Obedience, and constancy in the truth, and in the world to come obtain to your endless and everlasting Comfort, that glorious and immortal crown, which is purchased for the godly, by the blood of the lamb that Sitteth upon the throne of all glory.
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