Stablishing against shaking: or, A discovery of the Prince of Darknesse (scarcely) transformed into an angel of light, powerfully now working in the deluded people called, Quakers: with a sober answer to their railings against ministers for receiving maintenance from their people. Being the substance of one sermon preached Feb. 17. 1655. at Shalford in Essex. / By Giles Firmin (pastour of the church there) upon occasion of the Quakers troubling those parts.
3. He makes a little digression, and points out these false Teachers in their colours, from ver. 13 to v. 16. 4. He compares himself with these false Teachers.
3. He makes a little digression, and points out these false Teachers in their colours, from ver. 13 to v. 16. 4. He compares himself with these false Teachers.
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he speaketh as a wooer, though he did not wooe for himselfe, but for Christ; and so explicates this in the next words, For I have espoused you, &c. 2. From the holy feare he had, illustrated by a comparison, what the Serpent was to Eve, the same he will be to you if he can. ver. 3.
he speaks as a wooer, though he did not woo for himself, but for christ; and so explicates this in the next words, For I have espoused you, etc. 2. From the holy Fear he had, illustrated by a comparison, what the Serpent was to Eve, the same he will be to you if he can. ver. 3.
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The same we will say to these Quakers, or any despisers of the Ministers, if they can open the Gospel, can teach Christ, have better gifts than the Ministers,
The same we will say to these Quakers, or any despisers of the Ministers, if they can open the Gospel, can teach christ, have better Gifts than the Ministers,
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The same we say to these Quakers, and all others, if by their knowledge, and all things else requisite to Ministers or Apostles, [ if there be any more to come,
The same we say to these Quakers, and all Others, if by their knowledge, and all things Else requisite to Ministers or Apostles, [ if there be any more to come,
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which he confirms with a kinde of an oath, as Calvin, Piscator, Weinrichius, and others judge of the words, As the truth of Christ is in me, ver. 10. as I am a true Minister of Christ:
which he confirms with a kind of an oath, as calvin, Piscator, Weinrichius, and Others judge of the words, As the truth of christ is in me, ver. 10. as I am a true Minister of christ:
But why will you take no maintenance of us, it is because you doe not love us? ver. 11. So my enemies may suggest to you, I love the Macedonians, but not you.
But why will you take no maintenance of us, it is Because you do not love us? ver. 11. So my enemies may suggest to you, I love the Macedonians, but not you.
But why then will you not & c? I will give you the reason in v. 12. because first I would cut off occasion that is, should I take maintenance of all Churches, my enemies your false teachers, would tell you that all my preaching is but for money, profit;
But why then will you not & c? I will give you the reason in v. 12. Because First I would Cut off occasion that is, should I take maintenance of all Churches, my enemies your false Teachers, would tell you that all my preaching is but for money, profit;
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2. It is false, that All the Apostles taught freely, and wrought to maintain themselves. This is plain, 1 Cor. 9.6. in which Chap. the Apostle proves by no lesse than seven Arguments, that the Ministers may take maintenance, ver. 14. speaks as fully as can be, being the winding up of his arguments:
2. It is false, that All the Apostles taught freely, and wrought to maintain themselves. This is plain, 1 Cor. 9.6. in which Chap. the Apostle Proves by no less than seven Arguments, that the Ministers may take maintenance, ver. 14. speaks as Fully as can be, being the winding up of his Arguments:
if the authority of the LORD who made it, be as good as the authority of the Quakers and Separatists, and by vertue of this Ordinance we claim our maintenance. How learnedly the Quakers talke of these arguments you shall hear anon.
if the Authority of the LORD who made it, be as good as the Authority of the Quakers and Separatists, and by virtue of this Ordinance we claim our maintenance. How learnedly the Quakers talk of these Arguments you shall hear anon.
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but what have all the Apostles thus power to leave of, take maintenance, but I onely and Barnabas, & c? No, no, we have the same power as well as they.
but what have all the Apostles thus power to leave of, take maintenance, but I only and Barnabas, & c? No, no, we have the same power as well as they.
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but he proves it also, by divers reasons, 1 Cor. 9. Adde to this, 6 Gal. 6. Let him that is taught in the word, communicate unto him that teacheth, (or catechizeth, as the word properly signifies) in all good things.
but he Proves it also, by diverse Reasons, 1 Cor. 9. Add to this, 6 Gal. 6. Let him that is taught in the word, communicate unto him that Teaches, (or catechizeth, as the word properly signifies) in all good things.
Will the Quakers allow this Text to be Scripture? then let Him, be he or she what they will, high or low, master or servant, is he or she taught; catechized? then communicate in All, what All? this word will not be liked:
Will the Quakers allow this Text to be Scripture? then let Him, be he or she what they will, high or low, master or servant, is he or she taught; Catechized? then communicate in All, what All? this word will not be liked:
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The same Apostle saith, 2 Tim. 2 4. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affaires of this life, &c. But how then shall he live? I shall adde no more, God hath provided for us expressly in the New Testament;
The same Apostle Says, 2 Tim. 2 4. No man that Warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life, etc. But how then shall he live? I shall add no more, God hath provided for us expressly in the New Testament;
I doubt not but Christ in glory doth take himself to be faithfully preached by the Ministers of England, (I will not say every one) why then not maintained?
I doubt not but christ in glory does take himself to be faithfully preached by the Ministers of England, (I will not say every one) why then not maintained?
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Naylor: Saluta: &c. p. 37. 38. he speaks against the Magistrates because they imprison some of their Sect, calling themselves Pilgrims, and tells them, that God foreseeing their doings, hath commanded all that own him to entertain strangers,
Naylor: Salutation: etc. p. 37. 38. he speaks against the Magistrates Because they imprison Some of their Sect, calling themselves Pilgrim's, and tells them, that God Foreseeing their doings, hath commanded all that own him to entertain Strangers,
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1. Doe the Spirit that is infallible teach men to lye as you doe against the Magistrate? hath he made a Law against Gods Law in this point? no true stranger will say it but idle persons, Vagabonds, Rogues, persons who worke not in their callings, what should become of the Nation else?
1. Doe the Spirit that is infallible teach men to lie as you do against the Magistrate? hath he made a Law against God's Law in this point? no true stranger will say it but idle Persons, Vagabonds, Rogues, Persons who work not in their callings, what should become of the nation Else?
yet they must be entertained, men must provide you lodging, food, &c. and will not five Scriptures that speak for Ministers maintenance, be as strong for them to require it? are not the people bound as well to provide for us,
yet they must be entertained, men must provide you lodging, food, etc. and will not five Scriptures that speak for Ministers maintenance, be as strong for them to require it? Are not the people bound as well to provide for us,
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So those Elders of Ephesus, Act. 20. and other Elders, they all had their trades by which they maintained themselves before ever they heard of the Gospel;
So those Elders of Ephesus, Act. 20. and other Elders, they all had their trades by which they maintained themselves before ever they herd of the Gospel;
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3. It was a free act in Paul that he for this time upon some reason moving him did suspend his power, 1 Cor. 9.12. if he were absolutely bound to it, why not others also? v 6. So if any now who have means sufficient for themselves and their posterity will preach freely they may:
3. It was a free act in Paul that he for this time upon Some reason moving him did suspend his power, 1 Cor. 9.12. if he were absolutely bound to it, why not Others also? v 6. So if any now who have means sufficient for themselves and their posterity will preach freely they may:
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but neverthelesse there remains a duty on the peoples part to maintain them, as such that preach the Gospel, v. 14. though they be otherwayes able to live.
but nevertheless there remains a duty on the peoples part to maintain them, as such that preach the Gospel, v. 14. though they be otherways able to live.
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thus I might speak for the necessity of Arts, without which men cannot be sufficient Ministers, all things put together prove, that he who will be a Minister, had need give his whole time;
thus I might speak for the necessity of Arts, without which men cannot be sufficient Ministers, all things put together prove, that he who will be a Minister, had need give his Whole time;
Hence we see Paul in his Epistle to Timothy who was not bred up, as others, he must give himselfe wholly to these things, Chap. 4. ver. 15. not entangle himselfe with the affairs of this life.
Hence we see Paul in his Epistle to Timothy who was not bred up, as Others, he must give himself wholly to these things, Chap. 4. ver. 15. not entangle himself with the affairs of this life.
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First, it is well known if the Magistrate (who is to doe what in him lieth, that the people under him may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godlinesse and honesty, 1 Tim. 2.2. why else should the people pray that they might doe so;
First, it is well known if the Magistrate (who is to do what in him lies, that the people under him may led a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty, 1 Tim. 2.2. why Else should the people pray that they might do so;
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and to this end takes care that according to Gods Institution, Ministers be provided who may teach the people all godliness & honesty, he in the mean time a Nursing Father to them, Isa. 49. see that they may have an honourable maintenance according to the word:
and to this end Takes care that according to God's Institution, Ministers be provided who may teach the people all godliness & honesty, he in the mean time a Nursing Father to them, Isaiah 49. see that they may have an honourable maintenance according to the word:
I say if the Magistrate) could finde a better way for the maintenance of the Ministery every way, you shall see how easily Ministers will part with Tithes.
I say if the Magistrate) could find a better Way for the maintenance of the Ministry every Way, you shall see how Easily Ministers will part with Tithes.
You have the least cause to be offended at Tithes, because Tithes are no mans owne, but the Ministers many hundred years since the Parliament of England (not the Pope,
You have the least cause to be offended At Tithes, Because Tithes Are no men own, but the Ministers many hundred Years since the Parliament of England (not the Pope,
and the supreme Magistrate is but the Feoffee in trust, to see that what the people of England in their representative, with the King and house of Lords, had given to the Ministerie, be duly payed them;
and the supreme Magistrate is but the Feoffee in trust, to see that what the people of England in their representative, with the King and house of lords, had given to the Ministry, be duly paid them;
if this man could fell this farme tythefree, would he not raise the price in the sale of it accordingly? So, would not Landlords let their farmes accordingly,
if this man could fell this farm tythefree, would he not raise the price in the sale of it accordingly? So, would not Landlords let their farms accordingly,
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As for lands, so for houses, we observe the long Parliament made two Acts (it may be more that I know not of) one for Bristoll, another for Colchester, that according to the rents of houses,
As for Lands, so for houses, we observe the long Parliament made two Acts (it may be more that I know not of) one for Bristol, Another for Colchester, that according to the rends of houses,
For (as I said in my first) if the Magistrate be bound to take care that the people under him doe lead a life in all godlinesse &c. which comprehends the first Table of the Law,
For (as I said in my First) if the Magistrate be bound to take care that the people under him do led a life in all godliness etc. which comprehends the First Table of the Law,
surely the Magistrate who hath power to raise a taxe, when the good of the Common-wealth requires it, hath as much power to cause people to pay towards the upholding of the Officers,
surely the Magistrate who hath power to raise a Tax, when the good of the Commonwealth requires it, hath as much power to cause people to pay towards the upholding of the Officers,
2. We see God hath taken care for us already, many hundred years before we were born, in setling an estate upon us by the Supreme power of the Nation.
2. We see God hath taken care for us already, many hundred Years before we were born, in settling an estate upon us by the Supreme power of the nation.
yea and sacrilegious, who deny it? Certainly if people were not acted by a very Satanicall spirit they could not thus open their mouthes, in such base language against us, as they doe.
yea and sacrilegious, who deny it? Certainly if people were not acted by a very Satanical Spirit they could not thus open their mouths, in such base language against us, as they do.
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Why doe you not charge us rather with idlenesse, if you can, and so in that respect prove we ought not to be maintained? Why doe you not speak against the Impropriators? You pay tythes to them without such clamours, onely the Ministers are they who trouble you;
Why do you not charge us rather with idleness, if you can, and so in that respect prove we ought not to be maintained? Why do you not speak against the Impropriators? You pay Tithes to them without such clamours, only the Ministers Are they who trouble you;
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The third part of the Chapter, contains a description of these false teachers, and adversaries to Paul: 1. He calls them false-Apostles. 2. Deceitfull Workers. 3. They transforme themselves, &c. like stage-players, they personate the Apostles of Christ.
The third part of the Chapter, contains a description of these false Teachers, and Adversaries to Paul: 1. He calls them false-Apostles. 2. Deceitful Workers. 3. They transform themselves, etc. like stageplayers, they personate the Apostles of christ.
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The Apostle answers, yes this may very easily be, and proves it à majore. Doe not wonder at this, for Satan himself is transformed into an Angel of light, which are the words of my Text,
The Apostle answers, yes this may very Easily be, and Proves it à Major. Do not wonder At this, for Satan himself is transformed into an Angel of Light, which Are the words of my Text,
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Satan is, ergo his Ministers, &c. Parnel severall times in his Book (he entitles, the Watcher: ) calls Logick, filthy Logick: & pag: 30. tells us what Logick is:
Satan is, ergo his Ministers, etc. Parnel several times in his Book (he entitles, the Watcher:) calls Logic, filthy Logic: & page: 30. tells us what Logic is:
That is thy masters Logick indeed Parnel, Satans, but the true Logick we own, (for to give you a definition of Logick is in vain) is that whereby the Lights of your master Satan, are by the help of the Scripture, discovered to be false.
That is thy Masters Logic indeed Parnel, Satan, but the true Logic we own, (for to give you a definition of Logic is in vain) is that whereby the Lights of your master Satan, Are by the help of the Scripture, discovered to be false.
But why doth thy mouth call that filthy, which the pure Spirit of God useth? In these words he useth both parts of Logick, Invention and Disposition. We use no Logicke but such as God himselfe hath made.
But why does thy Mouth call that filthy, which the pure Spirit of God uses? In these words he uses both parts of Logic, Invention and Disposition. We use no Logic but such as God himself hath made.
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1. Properly, he that hath his sight knows what we mean when we speak of light; to have any Philosophicall discourse about it, is neither profitable, nor proper to my Text.
1. Properly, he that hath his sighed knows what we mean when we speak of Light; to have any Philosophical discourse about it, is neither profitable, nor proper to my Text.
2. Improperly, it is taken several wayes, I shall name but a few and leave the rest: 1. For the true and saving doctrine of the Word, Prov. 6.23. Psal. 119.105. 2. For knowledge, Acts 26.18. Isa. 60.3. 3. For good works, Mat. 5.16. 4. For joy and comfort, Psal. 97.13. 5. For Christ, Isa. 42.6. Ioh. 8.12. I name no more, I shall make use of some of these; the Observation is plain: Observ:
2. Improperly, it is taken several ways, I shall name but a few and leave the rest: 1. For the true and Saving Doctrine of the Word, Curae 6.23. Psalm 119.105. 2. For knowledge, Acts 26.18. Isaiah 60.3. 3. For good works, Mathew 5.16. 4. For joy and Comfort, Psalm 97.13. 5. For christ, Isaiah 42.6. John 8.12. I name no more, I shall make use of Some of these; the Observation is plain: Observe:
This hath been his practise of old, and I am sure he hath not layd down his trade now in our dayes, he hath found so much successe by this policy towards the advancement of his kingdome, that so long as Christs Church is upon the earth,
This hath been his practice of old, and I am sure he hath not laid down his trade now in our days, he hath found so much success by this policy towards the advancement of his Kingdom, that so long as Christ Church is upon the earth,
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I have but two things to open: 1. How doth Satan thus transforme himselfe, how doth he worke, what garments (as the word is taken from Stage players, that put on garments sutable to the person they act) puts he on, that make him appear thus? 2. Whence comes it, that he doth thus? For the first:
I have but two things to open: 1. How does Satan thus transform himself, how does he work, what garments (as the word is taken from Stage players, that put on garments suitable to the person they act) puts he on, that make him appear thus? 2. Whence comes it, that he does thus? For the First:
no, no, he will bring his Scripture, that which is called the Lamp and the Light, to you, is not here Scripture? Search the Scriptures, yea so he doth,
no, no, he will bring his Scripture, that which is called the Lamp and the Light, to you, is not Here Scripture? Search the Scriptures, yea so he does,
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when he can hang the seales of Scripture upon his doctrines, who will now question them? Hath not this been the practise of him in all the Hereticks since Christ his time? had not the Arians Scripture? Hath not the Pope Scripture? Have not the Socinians Scripture? though Reason is their Rule,
when he can hang the Seals of Scripture upon his doctrines, who will now question them? Hath not this been the practice of him in all the Heretics since christ his time? had not the Arians Scripture? Hath not the Pope Scripture? Have not the socinians Scripture? though Reason is their Rule,
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yet hath not Crellius at last found our Scripture against Christs Divinity? The least Scripture that I know any errour or practise have to prove it selfe, is the practise of the Separatists (with these Quakers) who have cast off the soundest Ministers, and all our Churches.
yet hath not Crellius At last found our Scripture against Christ Divinity? The least Scripture that I know any error or practice have to prove it self, is the practice of the Separatists (with these Quakers) who have cast off the soundest Ministers, and all our Churches.
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It is observable how these Quakers, who have done the most mischief to the Separatists and the Anabaptists societies doe tell them, they are in Babylon; that which they have cast upon us is now cast upon them,
It is observable how these Quakers, who have done the most mischief to the Separatists and the Anabaptists societies do tell them, they Are in Babylon; that which they have cast upon us is now cast upon them,
2. When he becomes a Preacher of righteousnesse, good works, these are called light, Mat. 5. should he preach, that men should whore, swear, (when not justly called to it) lye, steale, be drunk, &c. though men love these deeds of darkness,
2. When he becomes a Preacher of righteousness, good works, these Are called Light, Mathew 5. should he preach, that men should whore, swear, (when not justly called to it) lie, steal, be drunk, etc. though men love these Deeds of darkness,
whence observe the next verse to my Text, they are transformed as the Ministers of righteousnesse, not Ministers of unrighteousness, he will hold equipage in many things at least.
whence observe the next verse to my Text, they Are transformed as the Ministers of righteousness, not Ministers of unrighteousness, he will hold equipage in many things At least.
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Thus these Quakers, because they taught people, they must deale justly, doe no body wrong, not lye, &c. Some of the people took it for granted these Teachers came from Christ, (as they told me) and why doe not we come from Christ as well,
Thus these Quakers, Because they taught people, they must deal justly, do no body wrong, not lie, etc. some of the people took it for granted these Teachers Come from christ, (as they told me) and why do not we come from christ as well,
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3. When not onely he will be a Teacher of righteousnesse, but also of higher degrees of mortification and holinesse than other men doe teach, and most Christians practise:
3. When not only he will be a Teacher of righteousness, but also of higher Degrees of mortification and holiness than other men do teach, and most Christians practise:
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Thus the Fryers and others of that Popish generation, by their course habit, hard lodging, fasting, abstaining from marriage, &c. these have a shew, saith the Apostle.
Thus the Friars and Others of that Popish generation, by their course habit, hard lodging, fasting, abstaining from marriage, etc. these have a show, Says the Apostle.
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Who would suspect a Devil in these, to teach things thus crosse to the flesh, to deny our naturall appetites? Yes even here he is, for all his specious shewes;
Who would suspect a devil in these, to teach things thus cross to the Flesh, to deny our natural appetites? Yes even Here he is, for all his specious shows;
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Sure to be crosse, he would shift feet and face. Christ could not be in the Pharisees esteem a Teacher of righteousnesse, Matth. 11.19. He is a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, &c. God alloweth us to take comfort in the creature after a Christian manner, Eccles. 5.18, 19. with many Scriptures which shew the practises of the Saints that they did so.
Sure to be cross, he would shift feet and face. christ could not be in the Pharisees esteem a Teacher of righteousness, Matthew 11.19. He is a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, etc. God alloweth us to take Comfort in the creature After a Christian manner, Eccles. 5.18, 19. with many Scriptures which show the practises of the Saints that they did so.
The Quakers cry up conscience very much, calling men to attend more to that, than to the Scriptures, (as anon I shall shew) but it is manifest that Satan is got into their consciences.
The Quakers cry up conscience very much, calling men to attend more to that, than to the Scriptures, (as anon I shall show) but it is manifest that Satan is god into their Consciences.
as in Baptisme, the Supper, &c. What then? hence the Quakers and others tell us they have got Christ, (the thing signified) what should they doe with signes? so cast away the Ordinances:
as in Baptism, the Supper, etc. What then? hence the Quakers and Others tell us they have god christ, (the thing signified) what should they do with Signs? so cast away the Ordinances:
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as he can sinke the honest heart with misapplying of some terrible Texts, so he can as well cheer a false heart, with the misapplication of comfortable promises:
as he can sink the honest heart with misapplying of Some terrible Texts, so he can as well cheer a false heart, with the misapplication of comfortable promises:
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The second I will dispatch also in a few heads. Whence comes it, or why doth he thus transform himself? &c. The Reasons may be taken, First, from himself. Secondly, from God. 1. From himselfe:
The second I will dispatch also in a few Heads. Whence comes it, or why does he thus transform himself? etc. The Reasons may be taken, First, from himself. Secondly, from God. 1. From himself:
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Thus his enmity against Christ in his kingdome, against the comfort and peace of the true members of the Church, against the soules of people is driven on, Revel. 20.3. Deceive the Nations: A Deceiver is not the person he is taken to be;
Thus his enmity against christ in his Kingdom, against the Comfort and peace of the true members of the Church, against the Souls of people is driven on, Revel. 20.3. Deceive the nations: A Deceiver is not the person he is taken to be;
and certainly there are the same reasons still, when people have lived under light, but they love it not, secret rottennesse lye at bottome, they love darknesse, they shall have Lights at last, which shall sute their principles,
and Certainly there Are the same Reasons still, when people have lived under Light, but they love it not, secret rottenness lie At bottom, they love darkness, they shall have Lights At last, which shall suit their principles,
Secondly, he doth by such providences try and make discovery even of his own people, Deut. 13.3. A Prophet riseth up, giveth a signe, and the signe comes to passe, who would not follow him? take heed, I doe it to prove you. How much miserable ignorance and vanity of heart have these times discovered:
Secondly, he does by such providences try and make discovery even of his own people, Deuteronomy 13.3. A Prophet Riseth up, gives a Signen, and the Signen comes to pass, who would not follow him? take heed, I do it to prove you. How much miserable ignorance and vanity of heart have these times discovered:
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I believe there is more discouragement upon the spirits of sound Ministers and Christians, than there was in those former dayes, which they so much prayed against and are answered.
I believe there is more discouragement upon the spirits of found Ministers and Christians, than there was in those former days, which they so much prayed against and Are answered.
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be they Lights of doctrine, or of comfort, the Prince of darknesse is transformed into an Angel of Light, he walks in the Churches, he that taketh light from him will be sure to finde it end in darknesse;
be they Lights of Doctrine, or of Comfort, the Prince of darkness is transformed into an Angel of Light, he walks in the Churches, he that Takes Light from him will be sure to find it end in darkness;
Answ: 1. It is true, and are you Elect? doe you know it so certainly upon grounds infallible, (not imaginary) that you are one of them? I think we must goe backwards, to prove Election, by the effects which the execution of that Decree produceth:
Answer: 1. It is true, and Are you Elect? do you know it so Certainly upon grounds infallible, (not imaginary) that you Are one of them? I think we must go backwards, to prove Election, by the effects which the execution of that decree Produceth:
2. An Elect vessel cannot be deceived so as to misse of salvation, yet he may take such courses and goe in those pathes which in themselves would lead him to perdition, (after effectuall calling I meane) but that the mercy of the Lord fetch him back by repentance out of them.
2. an Elect vessel cannot be deceived so as to miss of salvation, yet he may take such courses and go in those paths which in themselves would led him to perdition, (After effectual calling I mean) but that the mercy of the Lord fetch him back by Repentance out of them.
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3. An elect Vessel may be so farre deceived, as to dishonour God exceedingly, grieve the Spirit of God, wound the hearts of the children of God, which should not,
3. an elect Vessel may be so Far deceived, as to dishonour God exceedingly, grieve the Spirit of God, wound the hearts of the children of God, which should not,
And here look to it ye Separatists, that have cast off the Ministery with so much scorne, at your dore must lye the cause why so many persons are turned Quakers;
And Here look to it you Separatists, that have cast off the Ministry with so much scorn, At your door must lie the cause why so many Persons Are turned Quakers;
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you now rise up against them, (some of you) but the people that hear you and them argue, tell us, you are run down, you cannot answer them, and no wonder.
you now rise up against them, (Some of you) but the people that hear you and them argue, tell us, you Are run down, you cannot answer them, and no wonder.
Had the people kept close to the Ministery, they had been preserved from these miscarriages, and been in the way, God useth to save by, but now they are gone.
Had the people kept close to the Ministry, they had been preserved from these miscarriages, and been in the Way, God uses to save by, but now they Are gone.
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This is a hard thing, because an Angel of Light: Angels doe excell man in wisdome abundantly, whence we may well thinke it is not easie to finde him out.
This is a hard thing, Because an Angel of Light: Angels do excel man in Wisdom abundantly, whence we may well think it is not easy to find him out.
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When David asked the woman of Tekoah whether Joabs hand was not with, &c. She answers, My Lord (not Thou man, as the Quakers) is wise according to the wisdome of an Angel of God:
When David asked the woman of Tekoah whither Joabs hand was not with, etc. She answers, My Lord (not Thou man, as the Quakers) is wise according to the Wisdom of an Angel of God:
I may say, that man had need have wisdome neer to the wisdome of those true Angels of Light, who would be able to discover all the falshoods of this transformed Angel of Light, both in doctrine,
I may say, that man had need have Wisdom near to the Wisdom of those true Angels of Light, who would be able to discover all the falsehoods of this transformed Angel of Light, both in Doctrine,
and truly the generation I am now to take in hand, are so grosse, that an ordinary assistance of Gods Spirit is enough to discover these, to whom now I shall addresse my self:
and truly the generation I am now to take in hand, Are so gross, that an ordinary assistance of God's Spirit is enough to discover these, to whom now I shall address my self:
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and because I am to speak to plain people, and to those onely I intend this Sermon, (because that sort is so mislead) I shall desire them but to observe this:
and Because I am to speak to plain people, and to those only I intend this Sermon, (Because that sort is so mislead) I shall desire them but to observe this:
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and because I would not wrong the Quakers I write down their own words, out of their own Books, with the page where you may finde them, if you have the books:
and Because I would not wrong the Quakers I write down their own words, out of their own Books, with the page where you may find them, if you have the books:
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as, Take Christ himself, who is the Light of the world, if the question be, whether he be the Christ? he will come to the triall, Ioh. 5.39. He had others to bear witnesse of him, in the verses before, but he offers himself to be tried by the Scriptures, Search the Scriptures, for they are they which testifie of me.
as, Take christ himself, who is the Light of the world, if the question be, whither he be the christ? he will come to the trial, John 5.39. He had Others to bear witness of him, in the Verses before, but he offers himself to be tried by the Scriptures, Search the Scriptures, for they Are they which testify of me.
Whether that can be the way of God, which hath nothing to warrant it but the bare words and affirmation of men, which they call infallible? To this I.N. answers: Answ:
Whither that can be the Way of God, which hath nothing to warrant it but the bore words and affirmation of men, which they call infallible? To this IN answers: Answer:
For the worlds wisdome, and carnall naturall man, can neither receive it, nor beare testimony of it, onely such who believe it, &c. The summe is this, the Quakers have the Infallible Spirit, they believe the testimony of it:
For the world's Wisdom, and carnal natural man, can neither receive it, nor bear testimony of it, only such who believe it, etc. The sum is this, the Quakers have the Infallible Spirit, they believe the testimony of it:
But could not CHRIST, who is the Light of the world, answer thus more truely than any Quaker? what need then of searching Scriptures, or observing his works, his infallible Spirit is proof enough.
But could not CHRIST, who is the Light of the world, answer thus more truly than any Quaker? what need then of searching Scriptures, or observing his works, his infallible Spirit is proof enough.
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and if this were proof enough, how could the Angel try them? Zedekiah can say, Thus saith the Lord, 1 King. 22.11. and smite Micaiah on the cheek, &c. ver. 24. Hananiah can say, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, Jer. 28.2.
and if this were proof enough, how could the Angel try them? Zedekiah can say, Thus Says the Lord, 1 King. 22.11. and smite Micaiah on the cheek, etc. for. 24. Hananiah can say, Thus speaks the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, Jer. 28.2.
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By the Light of Nature, I mean, that Candle, or inward Law which God set up in the heart of all mankinde after the losse of his Image in the Pall, checking many sinnes against God,
By the Light of Nature, I mean, that Candle, or inward Law which God Set up in the heart of all mankind After the loss of his Image in the Pall, checking many Sins against God,
Solomon rose up from his Throne, went to meet his Mother, and bowed himself to her, &c. 1 King. 2.19. Reade also Prov. 31.28. Eliazer is a good servant, yet in his prayer to God, Gen. 24.12.
Solomon rose up from his Throne, went to meet his Mother, and bowed himself to her, etc. 1 King. 2.19. Reade also Curae 31.28. Eliazer is a good servant, yet in his prayer to God, Gen. 24.12.
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And in pag 16. he tells, how through his disobedience (from this principle) his Mother and many little ones doe suffer, having in his charge the redeeming part of an estate for his Mother, possibly in a short time to have been effected, which he deserted:
And in page 16. he tells, how through his disobedience (from this principle) his Mother and many little ones do suffer, having in his charge the redeeming part of an estate for his Mother, possibly in a short time to have been effected, which he deserted:
Major. That Light which teacheth men to forsake the Scriptures, setting up a Spirit in man which shall not be examined by the Scriptures, is the Light•• Satan, not of Christ.
Major. That Light which Teaches men to forsake the Scriptures, setting up a Spirit in man which shall not be examined by the Scriptures, is the Light•• Satan, not of christ.
Minor. But such is the Quakers Light, Ergo. The Scriptures are left by God to be our Light and our Rule, Prov. 6.23. Psal. 119.105. The Prophets bid us goe to them, Isa. 8.20. Christ bids us search them, Ioh. 5.39. The men of Berea. Act. 17.11. Tried Paul by these;
Minor. But such is the Quakers Light, Ergo. The Scriptures Are left by God to be our Light and our Rule, Curae 6.23. Psalm 119.105. The prophets bid us go to them, Isaiah 8.20. christ bids us search them, John 5.39. The men of Berea. Act. 17.11. Tried Paul by these;
yea, they will run to the Apocrypha rather than faile to help themselves, as Parnel to evade the strength of Levit. 19 32. runs to Chap. 4 of the Booke of Wisdome, v. 8, 9. but mistakes.
yea, they will run to the Apocrypha rather than fail to help themselves, as Parnel to evade the strength of Levit. 19 32. runs to Chap. 4 of the Book of Wisdom, v. 8, 9. but mistakes.
He answers, But did Paul or any of the Aposlles walke by any literall rule, or was not their rule a ••asure of the Spirit of God committed to every one of them? but it were well if these pecuniary Priests would walke answerable to the precepts left upon record in the Letter.
He answers, But did Paul or any of the Aposlles walk by any literal Rule, or was not their Rule a ••asure of the Spirit of God committed to every one of them? but it were well if these pecuniary Priests would walk answerable to the Precepts left upon record in the letter.
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3. Parnel. Watcher, pag. 8. where you may have a learned discourse how the profession of the Christian Faith & Religion came into England, two pages before.
3. Parnel. Watcher, page. 8. where you may have a learned discourse how the profession of the Christian Faith & Religion Come into England, two pages before.
To the same purpose he speaks, p 40. and in his Goliah, p 77. 4. Naylor against I. Reyner, p. 3. speaking against us, hath these words, Whose Law is without, Light without, their Word without, their Church without, Baptisme, Prayers without;
To the same purpose he speaks, p 40. and in his Goliath, p 77. 4. Naylor against I. Reyner, p. 3. speaking against us, hath these words, Whose Law is without, Light without, their Word without, their Church without, Baptism, Prayers without;
Naylor, Saluta: &c. p. 29. tells those that will follow their doctrine, then you shall not have your Light and Life to seek in a Book without you, &c.
Naylor, Salutation: etc. p. 29. tells those that will follow their Doctrine, then you shall not have your Light and Life to seek in a Book without you, etc.
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Parnel entitles one of his Books the Watcher, and tell us in his Title-page, of the stone, that struck the feet of the Image, quoting Dan. 2.31, 32 &c. By this title we shall ••pect some great matter about the Image, p. 21, 22. his spirit interprets the Image.
Parnel entitles one of his Books the Watcher, and tell us in his Title page, of the stone, that struck the feet of the Image, quoting Dan. 2.31, 32 etc. By this title we shall ••pect Some great matter about the Image, p. 21, 22. his Spirit interprets the Image.
and the feet of the Image which is part of iron, part of clay, are the Priests and Pharisees, joyned to the powers of the earth, &c. But Parnel, the Spirit in Daniel gave another Interpretation of this Image in the same Chapter,
and the feet of the Image which is part of iron, part of clay, Are the Priests and Pharisees, joined to the Powers of the earth, etc. But Parnel, the Spirit in daniel gave Another Interpretation of this Image in the same Chapter,
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Let us hear Deusbury 's spirit interpreting Revel. 17. Babylon is within you, the Beast is within you, which all the world wonders after (what a wonder is this, that all the world should wonder after that which none of the world ever saw!) is your wills: your wisdome is the great Whore that sits upon the Beast.
Let us hear Deusbury is Spirit interpreting Revel. 17. Babylon is within you, the Beast is within you, which all the world wonders After (what a wonder is this, that all the world should wonder After that which none of the world ever saw!) is your wills: your Wisdom is the great Whore that sits upon the Beast.
but it seems there were no such wills, hearts, nor wisdome before Iohn, but all the wickednesse of men was to be after Iohn. Is this the best Interpretation your spirit can make?
but it seems there were no such wills, hearts, nor Wisdom before John, but all the wickedness of men was to be After John. Is this the best Interpretation your Spirit can make?
Major. That Light which maketh the Scripture to crosse it selfe, and that in things known by the Light of Nature, that Light is the light of Satan, not of Christ.
Major. That Light which makes the Scripture to cross it self, and that in things known by the Light of Nature, that Light is the Light of Satan, not of christ.
though wicked, (much more if a Magistrate, Father, &c. for these relations are not founded upon Grace?) yes that you must, else you transgresse the Royall Law, Honour thy Father &c. But take the words, Conjunctim, thus, may I show civil respect to rich persons, &c. and despise a poor man that hath the Faith of our Lord Jesus? No, if you doe, you sinne.
though wicked, (much more if a Magistrate, Father, etc. for these relations Are not founded upon Grace?) yes that you must, Else you transgress the Royal Law, Honour thy Father etc. But take the words, Conjointly, thus, may I show civil respect to rich Persons, etc. and despise a poor man that hath the Faith of our Lord jesus? No, if you do, you sin.
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Take another instance, the glory of the Lord, &c. put out by such as the world call Quakers, p. 10, 11, 12. He takes the words of our Saviour, Mat. 5.34. Swear not at all, to overthrow all swearing; there he brings in severall holy men who sware, Abraham, Iacob, David, the Angel, Rev. 10. & Ierem: 4.2. All that he answers is, but Christ saith, Swear not at all.
Take Another instance, the glory of the Lord, etc. put out by such as the world call Quakers, p. 10, 11, 12. He Takes the words of our Saviour, Mathew 5.34. Swear not At all, to overthrow all swearing; there he brings in several holy men who sware, Abraham, Iacob, David, the Angel, Rev. 10. & Jeremiah: 4.2. All that he answers is, but christ Says, Swear not At all.
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but a few words, ver. 33. Thou shalt not forswear thy selfe. 1. But Christ doth not quote the Deut. 10.20. & 6.13. where it is joyned to the command of fearing God and serving him, Thou shalt sweare by his name.
but a few words, ver. 33. Thou shalt not forswear thy self. 1. But christ does not quote the Deuteronomy 10.20. & 6.13. where it is joined to the command of fearing God and serving him, Thou shalt swear by his name.
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But where there is strife they are without, p. 12. Ans. 1. It were well for you if you were within. 2. There may be difference between those who are in Christ,
But where there is strife they Are without, p. 12. Ans. 1. It were well for you if you were within. 2. There may be difference between those who Are in christ,
and yet the difference so fairly carried as no sinfull strife, but an Oath will put an end to it. 3. But may a Magistrate give an Oath to those who are without? surely no:
and yet the difference so fairly carried as no sinful strife, but an Oath will put an end to it. 3. But may a Magistrate give an Oath to those who Are without? surely no:
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Fourthly, The Quakers bid men be guided by their Consciences the Light of God within: but that Light within, doth lead men to swear in great cases, to put an end to strife:
Fourthly, The Quakers bid men be guided by their Consciences the Light of God within: but that Light within, does led men to swear in great cases, to put an end to strife:
Fifthly, I wonder Paul should so forget himself, to sinne so fearfully in swearing as he did: yea, and an Angel also: Isa. 65.16. relates to the times after Christ.
Fifthly, I wonder Paul should so forget himself, to sin so fearfully in swearing as he did: yea, and an Angel also: Isaiah 65.16. relates to the times After christ.
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here I will take occasion to examine the Text, the Quakers make so much use of, 1. Joh. 9. This was the true light, which lighteth every one that cometh into the world.
Here I will take occasion to examine the Text, the Quakers make so much use of, 1. John 9. This was the true Light, which lights every one that comes into the world.
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But I would faine know, why these Quakers confound this Light, with Conscience, as if they were both one, is the Conscience and Christ all one? what folly is this.
But I would feign know, why these Quakers confound this Light, with Conscience, as if they were both one, is the Conscience and christ all one? what folly is this.
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Secondly, But what doe they mean, that Christ lighteth every one who cometh into the world, with saving light, as Parnel his 29 Querie intimates? this is manifestly false.
Secondly, But what do they mean, that christ lights every one who comes into the world, with Saving Light, as Parnel his 29 Querie intimates? this is manifestly false.
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For how great a part of the world is there who know nothing of Christ, Redemption, Justification by Christs righteousnesse, Originall sinne, Saving faith, &c. They never heard the sound of these things. The next Verse confutes this; for the 10 ver.
For how great a part of the world is there who know nothing of christ, Redemption, Justification by Christ righteousness, Original sin, Saving faith, etc. They never herd the found of these things. The next Verse confutes this; for the 10 ver.
Againe, Conscience may and doth erre; this is a further proof of the imperfection of it, Acts 26.9. Paul was there guided by his Conscience, but it erred.
Again, Conscience may and does err; this is a further proof of the imperfection of it, Acts 26.9. Paul was there guided by his Conscience, but it erred.
Quakers glory, &c. p. 2. They exhort the Magistrates to let the Priests alone, and to receive the Law of God which is perfect according to that in the Conscience:
Quakers glory, etc. p. 2. They exhort the Magistrates to let the Priests alone, and to receive the Law of God which is perfect according to that in the Conscience:
Fell. pag. 5. The Priests of thy high places (Oh England!) bear witnesse before my face against thee, which thou hast set up contrary to my will which I have made manifest in every mans Conscience.
Fell. page. 5. The Priests of thy high places (O England!) bear witness before my face against thee, which thou hast Set up contrary to my will which I have made manifest in every men Conscience.
But while the Quakers thus call on all men, to turn to that within them, (their Consciences) why doe they so cry out upon the Magistrates for sending them to Bridwell and Prisons,
But while the Quakers thus call on all men, to turn to that within them, (their Consciences) why do they so cry out upon the Magistrates for sending them to Bridwell and Prisons,
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and now have a light to destroy them, Christ hath changed his minde. 1 Cor 11.26. In the Lords Supper we shew the Lords death till he come. Christ is not come yet:
and now have a Light to destroy them, christ hath changed his mind. 1 Cor 11.26. In the lords Supper we show the lords death till he come. christ is not come yet:
What were the Apostles onely to remember him, or the Corinthians, and those first Churches? Must not all Churches till he comes so remember him? Mat. 28.19, 20. Teach and Baptize, I am with you to the end of the world.
What were the Apostles only to Remember him, or the Corinthians, and those First Churches? Must not all Churches till he comes so Remember him? Mathew 28.19, 20. Teach and Baptise, I am with you to the end of the world.
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how then can these words be fulfilled, but in the ordinary Officers, who succeed the Apostles, is the rule of Christ, Mat. 18.15, 16, 17, 18, &c. come to an end? I am sure there are offences still,
how then can these words be fulfilled, but in the ordinary Officers, who succeed the Apostles, is the Rule of christ, Mathew 18.15, 16, 17, 18, etc. come to an end? I am sure there Are offences still,
Parnel: Wat: p. 8. They (who brought the profession of the Christian Faith into England first) had two Sacraments, Infants Baptisme is one, that which they call the Supper of the Lord is another;
Parnel: What: p. 8. They (who brought the profession of the Christian Faith into England First) had two Sacraments, Infants Baptism is one, that which they call the Supper of the Lord is Another;
Naylor, Saluta: p. 7. Is not Christ the Ordinance (no that he is not) and the end of all Ordinances? I here is truth in this and it overthrows the former,
Naylor, Salutation: p. 7. Is not christ the Ordinance (no that he is not) and the end of all Ordinances? I Here is truth in this and it overthrows the former,
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he will not deny but these Visibles (as he calls them) had their place and time, but what are they now? He meets with an Objection of ours, which is this, They are commands of God,
he will not deny but these Visibles (as he calls them) had their place and time, but what Are they now? He meets with an Objection of ours, which is this, They Are commands of God,
thus, So we the Quakers having the infallible spirit which gave these commands, d•e by the same, seeing you abuse them, without scripture take them away. Now your answer is complete. But
thus, So we the Quakers having the infallible Spirit which gave these commands, d•e by the same, seeing you abuse them, without scripture take them away. Now your answer is complete. But
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First, I say, those carnall things (as you call them) are so spirituall, that all the perfection the Quakers brag of, will not be sufficient to perform one of them in the holy manner the letter (as you call the Word ) requires.
First, I say, those carnal things (as you call them) Are so spiritual, that all the perfection the Quakers brag of, will not be sufficient to perform one of them in the holy manner the Letter (as you call the Word) requires.
Fiftly, Jesus Christ the Lord of the Church may institute what means of worship he pleaseth, his Apostles did converse with him fourty dayes after his resurrection, Acts 1.3 speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdome of God:
Fifty, jesus christ the Lord of the Church may institute what means of worship he Pleases, his Apostles did converse with him fourty days After his resurrection, Acts 1.3 speaking of the things pertaining to the Kingdom of God:
for prayer, sacrifices, and the teaching of the family by the Father of the family, these parts of worship we finde at the beginning: after that, more.
for prayer, Sacrifices, and the teaching of the family by the Father of the family, these parts of worship we find At the beginning: After that, more.
and look upon it as heresie, it is Christ without us that hath satisfied for sinne, his righteousnesse, faith, patience, love, obedience, &c. its these without us that whoever believes in shall be saved,
and look upon it as heresy, it is christ without us that hath satisfied for sin, his righteousness, faith, patience, love, Obedience, etc. its these without us that whoever believes in shall be saved,
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so as no man can be in a state of Justification, or shall ever see God, who hath not this inherent work of holinesse in him, Heb. 12.14. I deny also, that a person whom the Lord actually justifieth is an ungodly person;
so as no man can be in a state of Justification, or shall ever see God, who hath not this inherent work of holiness in him, Hebrew 12.14. I deny also, that a person whom the Lord actually Justifieth is an ungodly person;
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in that instant its true, he is ungodly, if you compare him with the Covenant of works, he is a transgressor of it, which is the scope of the Apostle, in the Rom. 3.4. To cut all men off from seeking life in that Covenant, and to bring them to the righteousnesse of Christ:
in that instant its true, he is ungodly, if you compare him with the Covenant of works, he is a transgressor of it, which is the scope of the Apostle, in the Rom. 3.4. To Cut all men off from seeking life in that Covenant, and to bring them to the righteousness of christ:
but for the 2 Cor. 5.17. they made miserable Grammar of the verse, undertaking to be the Interpreters of the Originall, read it thus, if any man be in Christ the new Creature, and thus indeed Christ being perfect, no wonder though the Quakers are perfect;
but for the 2 Cor. 5.17. they made miserable Grammar of the verse, undertaking to be the Interpreters of the Original, read it thus, if any man be in christ the new Creature, and thus indeed christ being perfect, no wonder though the Quakers Are perfect;
And thus we see the meaning of that which we have so wondered at, that men and women, who could not tell how to live honestly among men, keep promises, keep from pilfering.
And thus we see the meaning of that which we have so wondered At, that men and women, who could not tell how to live honestly among men, keep promises, keep from pilfering.
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for Christ cannot be more perfect then he is, I affirme also that those who desine to doe nothing, as saith Naylor, they are not in Christ, (if we speak of adulti) Rom. 7.21. and their wills are renewed.
for christ cannot be more perfect then he is, I affirm also that those who desine to do nothing, as Says Naylor, they Are not in christ, (if we speak of adulti) Rom. 7.21. and their wills Are renewed.
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Mason p. 11. reproves Mr. Scortrith with scorne, because he affirmed that God and a Saint are not one, Christ and a Saint are not one, then quotes against him, Joh. 17.11. (which is nothing to his purpose) 21.22. and 2 Cor. 6.16. 1 Cor 6.17.
Mason p. 11. reproves Mr. Scortrith with scorn, Because he affirmed that God and a Saint Are not one, christ and a Saint Are not one, then quotes against him, John 17.11. (which is nothing to his purpose) 21.22. and 2 Cor. 6.16. 1 Cor 6.17.
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and what is the righteousnesse of Christ, and how doe you distinguish between them? What a hard question is this to answer, in a sound way also? but then 49. Whether he that is justified by the righteousnesse of Christ, doth not dwell in it,
and what is the righteousness of christ, and how do you distinguish between them? What a hard question is this to answer, in a found Way also? but then 49. Whither he that is justified by the righteousness of christ, does not dwell in it,
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Bellarmine makes difference between the satisfaction of Christ, by which we are pardoned, (this he will not admit to be in us) and that righteousnesse by which we are justified;
Bellarmine makes difference between the satisfaction of christ, by which we Are pardoned, (this he will not admit to be in us) and that righteousness by which we Are justified;
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Parnel Watch, p 46. speaking against one, Then thou went on with thy deluding spirit, pressing the wicked to pray, whereas Prov. 15.8. the prayers of the wicked are abominable;
Parnel Watch, p 46. speaking against one, Then thou went on with thy deluding Spirit, pressing the wicked to pray, whereas Curae 15.8. the Prayers of the wicked Are abominable;
2. Why doe the Quakers so much call all people to sinke downe to the light of God in the Conscience [ as before ] yet now exclaime upon men for being guided by it? the light of God in the Conscience doth teach men to pray, bids them pray:
2. Why do the Quakers so much call all people to sink down to the Light of God in the Conscience [ as before ] yet now exclaim upon men for being guided by it? the Light of God in the Conscience does teach men to pray, bids them pray:
3. Must not the wicked pray because they sin, and so it is abominable? then they must not plow neither, for that also is sinne. Prov. 21.4. but all sin is abominable to God:
3. Must not the wicked prey Because they sin, and so it is abominable? then they must not blow neither, for that also is sin. Curae 21.4. but all since is abominable to God:
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But suppose a wicked man (though I love Charity well, yet I believe there might be one or two among those Tribes he writes to) what must he doe? Surely, Any will reach him.
But suppose a wicked man (though I love Charity well, yet I believe there might be one or two among those Tribes he writes to) what must he do? Surely, Any will reach him.
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Since then the Quakers Light teach people to omit prayer, I conclude, their light is of Satan, &c. Major. That light which teacheth men to say, they have no sin, that light is the light of Satan, not of Christ.
Since then the Quakers Light teach people to omit prayer, I conclude, their Light is of Satan, etc. Major. That Light which Teaches men to say, they have no since, that Light is the Light of Satan, not of christ.
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Major. Christ his Light teach us that for the Dominion of sin, all his people are freed from it, Rom. 7.12.14 but he that saith he hath not the being of sin,
Major. christ his Light teach us that for the Dominion of since, all his people Are freed from it, Rom. 7.12.14 but he that Says he hath not the being of since,
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and doth not sin, the truth is not in him, 1 Ioh. 1.8. Iob had more holinesse in him then all the Quakers, God saith of him that he was perfect, ch. 1. i. e.
and does not since, the truth is not in him, 1 John 1.8. Job had more holiness in him then all the Quakers, God Says of him that he was perfect, changed. 1. i. e.
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Evangelically, not Legally, for Chap. 9.20. he speak other language, so 30. & 31. verses. Iob 14.4. 1 Kings 8.46. Eccles. 7.20. Prov. 20.9. Iam. 3.2. a relative perfection in our justification, an inherent perfection of parts, in our Sanctification, a striving after perfection in degrees; such perfection we own, i. e.
Evangelically, not Legally, for Chap. 9.20. he speak other language, so 30. & 31. Verses. Job 14.4. 1 Kings 8.46. Eccles. 7.20. Curae 20.9. Iam. 3.2. a relative perfection in our justification, an inherent perfection of parts, in our Sanctification, a striving After perfection in Degrees; such perfection we own, i. e.
Paul found a body of death, Rom. 7. and saith he was not perfect, Phil. 3.12. Where sinne hath no dominion, that man is perfect, i.e. Evangelically, Psal. 19.13.
Paul found a body of death, Rom. 7. and Says he was not perfect, Philip 3.12. Where sin hath no dominion, that man is perfect, i.e. Evangelically, Psalm 19.13.
the word is NONLATINALPHABET I shall be perfect, or complete, upright. yet such an one may have sinnes, ver. 12. so not perfect legally. Who knowes his errours? not David, but the Quakers. Minor. But the Quakers light teach people to say they have no sin, they are perfect (not in our sense.)
the word is I shall be perfect, or complete, upright. yet such an one may have Sins, ver. 12. so not perfect legally. Who knows his errors? not David, but the Quakers. Minor. But the Quakers Light teach people to say they have no since, they Are perfect (not in our sense.)
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Mason spends the seven first pages of his book about this, quoting some texts for it where perfection is mentioned, (which we owne in a sound sense) then railing upon the Priests,
Mason spends the seven First pages of his book about this, quoting Some texts for it where perfection is mentioned, (which we own in a found sense) then railing upon the Priests,
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Mason. p. 3. makes great use of Ephes. 4.12. &c. perfecting of the Saints, &c. thus he argues, if the Saints could not be perfect in this life, were not these Apostles and Pastors, put upon a needlesse imployment? Can the Priests of the nation prove that Saints are tossed in heaven? Were Englands blinde watch-men commissionated from Christ, they would not prate thus against perfection.
Mason. p. 3. makes great use of Ephesians 4.12. etc. perfecting of the Saints, etc. thus he argues, if the Saints could not be perfect in this life, were not these Apostles and Pastors, put upon a needless employment? Can the Priests of the Nation prove that Saints Are tossed in heaven? Were Englands blind watchmen commissionated from christ, they would not prate thus against perfection.
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But if Mason had well understood the Originall word NONLATINALPHABET here rendered perfecting, he might have known that the word is translated by others, For the gathering together of Saints, by others, the Coagmentation, joyning, gluing together of Saints, to Christ by faith, to the body by love: not noting the perfection of the growth,
But if Mason had well understood the Original word Here rendered perfecting, he might have known that the word is translated by Others, For the gathering together of Saints, by Others, the Coagmentation, joining, gluing together of Saints, to christ by faith, to the body by love: not noting the perfection of the growth,
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If he will fetch his strength from the 13. v. a perfect man, &c. and that perfect man, to be meant of every singular believer, to what I have said before about perfection, I adde, we acknowledge there are thousands (through mercy) of perfect men, in England, as perfect is opposed to children tossed to and fro in ver. 14. saints who stand so unmovable,
If he will fetch his strength from the 13. v. a perfect man, etc. and that perfect man, to be meant of every singular believer, to what I have said before about perfection, I add, we acknowledge there Are thousands (through mercy) of perfect men, in England, as perfect is opposed to children tossed to and from in ver. 14. Saints who stand so unmovable,
thus some are but young scholars, they understand not the fulnesse of the righteousnesse of Christ, &c. but are troubled about Circumcision, v. 3. and other Jewish matters;
thus Some Are but young Scholars, they understand not the fullness of the righteousness of christ, etc. but Are troubled about Circumcision, v. 3. and other Jewish matters;
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thus some little children, young men, Fathers, 1 Joh. 2.13. Some think he calls the false Teachers, the perfect men, speaking ironically, and nipping them for their boasting.
thus Some little children, young men, Father's, 1 John 2.13. some think he calls the false Teachers, the perfect men, speaking ironically, and nipping them for their boasting.
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Musculus upon this Text tells us of a debate he had with a Franciscan, who with great impudencie boasted he was perfect: but saith of him, he did so rage, that he seemed perfect in fury and madnesse:
Musculus upon this Text tells us of a debate he had with a Franciscan, who with great impudency boasted he was perfect: but Says of him, he did so rage, that he seemed perfect in fury and madness:
p. 24. But stay Parnel, are you perfect too? have you no sinne? doe you so dwell in the righteousnesse of Christ? I omit thy abominable pride which thou manifestest in thy Books;
p. 24. But stay Parnel, Are you perfect too? have you no sin? do you so dwell in the righteousness of christ? I omit thy abominable pride which thou manifestest in thy Books;
as you have printed your adversary, yet any one shall see what he speaks is with reason, scripture, and sobriety; but what is your return to a man of his quality and yeers? Impudent lyar, blinde sot, blasphemer, lyar, hypocrite, deceiver, the book is stuffed with this language.
as you have printed your adversary, yet any one shall see what he speaks is with reason, scripture, and sobriety; but what is your return to a man of his quality and Years? Impudent liar, blind sot, blasphemer, liar, hypocrite, deceiver, the book is stuffed with this language.
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Major. That light which teacheth people to revile, and throw filth upon the true Ministers, and true Churches of Christ, that is the light of Satan, not of Christ.
Major. That Light which Teaches people to revile, and throw filth upon the true Ministers, and true Churches of christ, that is the Light of Satan, not of christ.
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Minor. But thus doe the Quakers light teach people, &c. For the Major none will question that, 1 Tim. 5.17. There is double honour allowed the labourers in word and doctrine:
Minor. But thus do the Quakers Light teach people, etc. For the Major none will question that, 1 Tim. 5.17. There is double honour allowed the labourers in word and Doctrine:
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For the Churches, they bear such an honourable relation to Christ, that sure Christ will not thus teach people to revile them, 2 Cor. 11.2. Minor. But the light of the Quakers teach people to revile and throw filth on the true Ministers and Churches of Christ;
For the Churches, they bear such an honourable Relation to christ, that sure christ will not thus teach people to revile them, 2 Cor. 11.2. Minor. But the Light of the Quakers teach people to revile and throw filth on the true Ministers and Churches of christ;
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even all in England, and the world that differ from them. This they avoid, by denying with greatest abhorrency that any of the Ministers are such, or the Churches.
even all in England, and the world that differ from them. This they avoid, by denying with greatest abhorrency that any of the Ministers Are such, or the Churches.
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Priests igno: p. 2. Wood•d p. 16. but especially Parnel twice in his Fr•fast, tells us of the Church in God, 1 Thess. 1.1. and Parnel saith he ownes that Church, and amongst his Queries to the Priests, he would have them tell him what Church that is.
Priests igno: p. 2. Wood•d p. 16. but especially Parnel twice in his Fr•fast, tells us of the Church in God, 1 Thess 1.1. and Parnel Says he owns that Church, and among his Queries to the Priests, he would have them tell him what Church that is.
But let us examine the Text, this Church of the Thessalon. which was in God, ch. 5. ver. 12, 13. had Rulers over them, and they were to esteem them highly, &c. But Parnel, you deny all Church Officers, so doe all your sect;
But let us examine the Text, this Church of the Thessalonica. which was in God, changed. 5. ver. 12, 13. had Rulers over them, and they were to esteem them highly, etc. But Parnel, you deny all Church Officers, so do all your sect;
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If you say, but they must be exhorted, warned &c. that is true, and so doe we exhort, warn, &c. this will help save our Churches, (some at least I am sure.)
If you say, but they must be exhorted, warned etc. that is true, and so do we exhort, warn, etc. this will help save our Churches, (Some At least I am sure.)
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but how are unruly and disorderly persons Deified? shall I say, Church in God? so this Church (and others) is differenced from the Assemblies of Pagans,
but how Are unruly and disorderly Persons Deified? shall I say, Church in God? so this Church (and Others) is differenced from the Assemblies of Pagans,
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then quotes 14 Ioh. v. 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. But what will M. Mason gather from hence, that Christ as he is the eternall Son of God, is of the same Essence with the Father,
then quotes 14 John v. 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. But what will M. Mason gather from hence, that christ as he is the Eternal Son of God, is of the same Essence with the Father,
But I pray what doe you make of the Humanity of Christ? was it reall or imaginary? if reall, what, is the Humanity of Christ the same Essence with the Godhead? this is new Divinity indeed;
But I pray what do you make of the Humanity of christ? was it real or imaginary? if real, what, is the Humanity of christ the same Essence with the Godhead? this is new Divinity indeed;
what, is there no difference between Christ, and the Divine Essence subsisting in the relation of the Son (if the word Person be so offensive?) you say, for the simples sake, p. 9. you will set down what the Lord gives you in vindication of his honour.
what, is there no difference between christ, and the Divine Essence subsisting in the Relation of the Son (if the word Person be so offensive?) you say, for the simples sake, p. 9. you will Set down what the Lord gives you in vindication of his honour.
and have notably vindicated the honour of God, to make Christ, who is God-Man, and without the Manhood is not Christ, that the Manhood also must be one Essence with the Godhead.
and have notably vindicated the honour of God, to make christ, who is God-Man, and without the Manhood is not christ, that the Manhood also must be one Essence with the Godhead.
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But to return to Parnel, I have already given one ground from the Church of the Thessalon to prove there are some true Churches in England. I scarce thinke Parnel know what a Church is,
But to return to Parnel, I have already given one ground from the Church of the Thessalonica to prove there Are Some true Churches in England. I scarce think Parnel know what a Church is,
For the Ministers whom you and others call Priests, and say, we run before we were sent, (you doe well to begin first to cast that upon us, which you know will fall upon your owne heads:) no, we can prove our sending:
For the Ministers whom you and Others call Priests, and say, we run before we were sent, (you do well to begin First to cast that upon us, which you know will fallen upon your own Heads:) no, we can prove our sending:
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Bishop. p. 23. he brings against us the 1. Tit. 7. Well, and are there not many Ministers who doe in a good measure walk up to those rules though they dare not brag of your perfection? Covetousnesse is the great thing you object;
Bishop. p. 23. he brings against us the 1. Tit. 7. Well, and Are there not many Ministers who do in a good measure walk up to those rules though they Dare not brag of your perfection? Covetousness is the great thing you Object;
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then Paul and Barnabas were not true Apostles. Reade Acts 15.39. if infirmities cut us off, then Peter was no Apostle who the second time halted, Gal. 2. Then Ieremiah, Ionah, were no true Prophets.
then Paul and Barnabas were not true Apostles. Reade Acts 15.39. if infirmities Cut us off, then Peter was no Apostle who the second time halted, Gal. 2. Then Jeremiah, Jonah, were no true prophets.
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Take in the 2 v. also, there is one apt to teach: take in the 6 ver. And though Parnel be farre enough from the abilities required in a Bishop, many miles short,
Take in the 2 v. also, there is one apt to teach: take in the 6 ver. And though Parnel be Far enough from the abilities required in a Bishop, many miles short,
And why did not thou quote the 4 chap. of this Epist: 14 ver: & 5 chap: 22. Lay hands suddenly. &c. and there you should have seen how these qualified men came into their places.
And why did not thou quote the 4 chap. of this Epistle: 14 for: & 5 chap: 22. Lay hands suddenly. etc. and there you should have seen how these qualified men Come into their places.
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Trie us then for abilities, if you can, all you Quakers and Separatifts in England; then see what is required by the Aposties example to bring us into the Ministery,
Try us then for abilities, if you can, all you Quakers and Separatifts in England; then see what is required by the Apostles Exampl to bring us into the Ministry,
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yet I wish that the Separatists would think of one thing, in Rev. 6.9, 10, 11. there is mention made of many slain for the Word of God, &c. these had white robes given them, &c these who were slain must needs fall under the X Persecutions under the heathen Emperours,
yet I wish that the Separatists would think of one thing, in Rev. 6.9, 10, 11. there is mention made of many slave for the Word of God, etc. these had white robes given them, etc. these who were slave must needs fallen under the X Persecutions under the heathen emperors,
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and may well in a speciall manner look to that horrible butchery under Dioclesian, but if you know those times, you will finde there were abundance of Bishops slain in those times (I mean Bishops who were above Presbyters in the Church) and you shall finde abundance of ceremonies, humane inventions in those times in the worship of God,
and may well in a special manner look to that horrible butchery under Diocletian, but if you know those times, you will find there were abundance of Bishops slave in those times (I mean Bishops who were above Presbyters in the Church) and you shall find abundance of ceremonies, humane Inventions in those times in the worship of God,
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Cranmer, Ridley, Hooper, and abundance of Ministers ordained by those Bishops, but suffered gloriously for the testimony which they held, the Lord will own them with honour in the Day of Judgment;
Cranmer, Ridley, Hooper, and abundance of Ministers ordained by those Bishops, but suffered gloriously for the testimony which they held, the Lord will own them with honour in the Day of Judgement;
how then you come to cast off so many Ministers of Christ, so able in the worke of the Gospel, (as none have been more able since the Apostles dayes, no nor so able) so godly in their conversation, to whose Ministery God hath sealed, in the spirituall children he hath given them,
how then you come to cast off so many Ministers of christ, so able in the work of the Gospel, (as none have been more able since the Apostles days, no nor so able) so godly in their Conversation, to whose Ministry God hath sealed, in the spiritual children he hath given them,
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and if any Quakers or Separatists will undertake to prove the contrary, so they will argue and not babble, they shall soon finde those who will answer them.
and if any Quakers or Separatists will undertake to prove the contrary, so they will argue and not babble, they shall soon find those who will answer them.
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While therefore you cast filth upon these (I plead not for every particular Minister) and upon all the Churches, you show your light to be of Satan, &c. Major. That Light which brags of the infallible spirit, and yet cannot speak good sense or reason, that Light and Spirit must come from Satan, not from Christ.
While Therefore you cast filth upon these (I plead not for every particular Minister) and upon all the Churches, you show your Light to be of Satan, etc. Major. That Light which brags of the infallible Spirit, and yet cannot speak good sense or reason, that Light and Spirit must come from Satan, not from christ.
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the Spirit of God is a most rationall Spirit, and where it speaks, it speaks like it self, Acts 6.10. They were not able to resist the wisdome and the Spirit by which Stephen spake.
the Spirit of God is a most rational Spirit, and where it speaks, it speaks like it self, Acts 6.10. They were not able to resist the Wisdom and the Spirit by which Stephen spoke.
Thus Paul, Apollos, &c. they spake rationally, carried such strength, that none could answer them. Ministers must be men able to convince, 1 Tit. 9. NONLATINALPHABET. those that talk irrationally will never NONLATINALPHABET.
Thus Paul, Apollos, etc. they spoke rationally, carried such strength, that none could answer them. Ministers must be men able to convince, 1 Tit. 9.. those that talk irrationally will never.
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But here we have a pack, mightily insulting over the Ministers because they doe not assume to themselves the infallible Spirit, in that notion which the Quakers boast they have it, and yet cannot speak rationally. Let us hear a little.
But Here we have a pack, mightily insulting over the Ministers Because they do not assume to themselves the infallible Spirit, in that notion which the Quakers boast they have it, and yet cannot speak rationally. Let us hear a little.
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Qua: gl•: of God, p 3, 4. there they undertake to answer the arguments the Apostle brings, 1 Cor. 9.9, 10, 11, &c. to prove the maintenance of Ministers:
Qua: gl•: of God, p 3, 4. there they undertake to answer the Arguments the Apostle brings, 1 Cor. 9.9, 10, 11, etc. to prove the maintenance of Ministers:
This scripture shames you, and shews your Gospel will not maintain you, but you seek to Magistrat s•• and the Ministers of the Gospel are ashamed of such a pack of teachers.
This scripture shames you, and shows your Gospel will not maintain you, but you seek to Magistrate s•• and the Ministers of the Gospel Are ashamed of such a pack of Teachers.
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Doe not these men speak gallantly? Is not here evidence of the infallible Spirit? But if these Quakers would have spoken like men, thus ye should have said:
Do not these men speak gallantly? Is not Here evidence of the infallible Spirit? But if these Quakers would have spoken like men, thus you should have said:
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True, those who preach the Gospel, those who thresh, those who tread out, &c. that is, those who doe perform the work of the Lords Ministers, in teaching, Iabouring faithfully, they may challenge maintenance by these Scriptures.
True, those who preach the Gospel, those who thresh, those who tread out, etc. that is, those who do perform the work of the lords Ministers, in teaching, Iabouring faithfully, they may challenge maintenance by these Scriptures.
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and quotes in his margent Gal. 3.1. Luc. 1.26.36. Let any one reade those Scriptures, and see how they oppose it: he quotes no other Scriptures. In the next:
and quotes in his margin Gal. 3.1. Luke 1.26.36. Let any one read those Scriptures, and see how they oppose it: he quotes no other Scriptures. In the next:
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The teachers of the world call people unto a Sacrament, for the which there is no Scripture, here they act contrary to the Scriptures: quoting Gen. 29.28. the words are these, and Iacob did so and fulfilled her weeke, and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also, and Gen. 10. but no verse. These are all the Scriptures.
The Teachers of the world call people unto a Sacrament, for the which there is no Scripture, Here they act contrary to the Scriptures: quoting Gen. 29.28. the words Are these, and Iacob did so and fulfilled her Week, and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also, and Gen. 10. but no verse. These Are all the Scriptures.
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Here you see the Priests ignorance, and the Quakers knowledge laid together. So let any one that hath reason reade Naylor his Answer to Io: Reyners Queries.
Here you see the Priests ignorance, and the Quakers knowledge laid together. So let any one that hath reason read Naylor his Answer to Io: Reyners Queries.
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and people catched, with such witlesse, brainlesse fellowes, besides their grosse, abominable principles, that destroy Scriptures, Ordinances, Churches, civil States, &c.
and people catched, with such witless, brainless Fellows, beside their gross, abominable principles, that destroy Scriptures, Ordinances, Churches, civil States, etc.
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Since then the Light which the Quakers boast come from the infallible Spirit in them, is thus, irrationall, brutish, &c. I conclude, their Light is from Satan, not from Christ.
Since then the Light which the Quakers boast come from the infallible Spirit in them, is thus, irrational, brutish, etc. I conclude, their Light is from Satan, not from christ.
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Major. That Light which affirmeth sound believers, walking (evangelically) in obedience to Gods commandements to be in a state of condemnation, that Light is from Satan, not from Christ.
Major. That Light which Affirmeth found believers, walking (evangelically) in Obedience to God's Commandments to be in a state of condemnation, that Light is from Satan, not from christ.
For we are assured there are hundreds of sound believers in Christ in England, that fear to sinne, walke with the Lord, (and that more close than the Quakers) who doe detest and abominate the Quakers doctrines, principles, and practises;
For we Are assured there Are hundreds of found believers in christ in England, that Fear to sin, walk with the Lord, (and that more close than the Quakers) who do detest and abominate the Quakers doctrines, principles, and practises;
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but the Quakers say of those who come not amongst them, that they shall be damned, perish, &c. This is their common language about us. Thus J. Toldervy, Ep. 17.18. told his Master Col. Web. Thus Mason p. 8. speaking to the Ministers, whom he calls Merchants of Babylon, bid us read our doom, in Revel. 18.7.8. yet among these I am sure are very sound believers, and very holy men, if they may be tried by the word:
but the Quakers say of those who come not among them, that they shall be damned, perish, etc. This is their Common language about us. Thus J. Toldervy, Epistle 17.18. told his Master Col. Web. Thus Mason p. 8. speaking to the Ministers, whom he calls Merchant's of Babylon, bid us read our doom, in Revel. 18.7.8. yet among these I am sure Are very found believers, and very holy men, if they may be tried by the word:
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Thus I. N. p. 17. F. Harris makes this Querie, Whether it be safe for Christians to forsake and let goe those Gospel-dispensations of the Spirit of Truth, in which God hath blessedly appeared, & c?
Thus I. N. p. 17. F. Harris makes this Querie, Whither it be safe for Christians to forsake and let go those Gospel-dispensations of the Spirit of Truth, in which God hath blessedly appeared, & c?
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Let the Quakers tell us what is faith, according as the Lord Christ declares it in his Word, (not their infallible Spirit without the Word) tell us what it is to walk holily,
Let the Quakers tell us what is faith, according as the Lord christ declares it in his Word, (not their infallible Spirit without the Word) tell us what it is to walk holily,
And let me desire the Quakers but to tell me of one man in the Word of God that was holy, who embraced the Quakers doctrines, principles, and practises?
And let me desire the Quakers but to tell me of one man in the Word of God that was holy, who embraced the Quakers doctrines, principles, and practises?
Since then the Quakers light condemne such, as the light of Christ approves of; hence I conclude, their light is from Satan, &c. Jam. 3.1. Be not many Masters, knowing we shall receive the greater condemnation.
Since then the Quakers Light condemn such, as the Light of christ approves of; hence I conclude, their Light is from Satan, etc. Jam. 3.1. Be not many Masters, knowing we shall receive the greater condemnation.
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As for their shaking in that strange manner, which some report of them, and their books defend, it is manifest enough to every one, whom the God of this world hath not blinded, whence it comes,
As for their shaking in that strange manner, which Some report of them, and their books defend, it is manifest enough to every one, whom the God of this world hath not blinded, whence it comes,
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also it did worke in me as though I had taken a strong purge, pag. 29. yet I. N. against F. Harris p. 18. abuseth the holy examples of Daniel, Moses, and David, to defend these Diabolical actings;
also it did work in me as though I had taken a strong purge, page. 29. yet I. N. against F. Harris p. 18. abuseth the holy Examples of daniel, Moses, and David, to defend these Diabolical actings;
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I shall conclude all with transcribing a few lines out of him where he relateth what one of these Quakers, who was of his former acquaintance, spake to him, (with Answer to one of Parnels Queries) He gave me to understand that they were sent forth to preach the Gospel by the same Christ the Apostles were,
I shall conclude all with transcribing a few lines out of him where he relateth what one of these Quakers, who was of his former acquaintance, spoke to him, (with Answer to one of Parnels Queries) He gave me to understand that they were sent forth to preach the Gospel by the same christ the Apostles were,
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and so what was manifested to them by that substance, from that substance were they moved to speake, which was the same holy Ghost, by which the Apostles were endued, sent forth and enabled to preach:
and so what was manifested to them by that substance, from that substance were they moved to speak, which was the same holy Ghost, by which the Apostles were endued, sent forth and enabled to preach:
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so he declared how sometimes in the night they were immediately commanded by the eternall spirit to goe forth and preach, &c. Here is enough said to make us all quake:
so he declared how sometime in the night they were immediately commanded by the Eternal Spirit to go forth and preach, etc. Here is enough said to make us all quake:
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What holy men he meaneth, the next Querie to this will interpret: Whether doe you owne immediate revelation now, yea or nay? q 8.9. The question would be, what he means by immediate revelation? but by comparing their spirits we may know his meaning.
What holy men he means, the next Querie to this will interpret: Whither do you own immediate Revelation now, yea or nay? q 8.9. The question would be, what he means by immediate Revelation? but by comparing their spirits we may know his meaning.
1. For, what should such Revelations concern? Faith, or Manners? If Faith; All that we are bound to believe Christ hath perfectly revealed in his Word:
1. For, what should such Revelations concern? Faith, or Manners? If Faith; All that we Are bound to believe christ hath perfectly revealed in his Word:
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If Manners; Christ also hath perfectly reveal'd the whole will of God for our obedience, 2 Tim. 3.16, 17. The Scripture, &c. There it is to be found in the Scripture, whatever is requisite to make the man of God perfect.
If Manners; christ also hath perfectly revealed the Whole will of God for our Obedience, 2 Tim. 3.16, 17. The Scripture, etc. There it is to be found in the Scripture, whatever is requisite to make the man of God perfect.
or rule of obedience in the Scripture, (as doe the pretended revelations of the Quakers) what shall we judge of it? Surely the Devil is the Author of it.
or Rule of Obedience in the Scripture, (as doe the pretended revelations of the Quakers) what shall we judge of it? Surely the devil is the Author of it.
2. The foundation upon which the true Church of Christ is built, hath long since been perfectly layed; Ephes. 2.20. and are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief Corner-stone.
2. The Foundation upon which the true Church of christ is built, hath long since been perfectly laid; Ephesians 2.20. and Are built upon the Foundation of the Apostles and prophets, jesus christ himself being the chief Cornerstone.
for adding to his Word, Deut. 12.32. Rev. 22.18. 4. Before you brag of your Apostleship and Revelations, shew your selves to be, I will not say Christians, but Men, rational men, which as yet you have not done.
for adding to his Word, Deuteronomy 12.32. Rev. 22.18. 4. Before you brag of your Apostleship and Revelations, show your selves to be, I will not say Christians, but Men, rational men, which as yet you have not done.
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5. As after those Prophets under the Old Testament whom God raised up, no man dared to assume to himselfe that Name and Office (I know there were those who were called Prophets in the N. Test. but they differed from the Old) or dared to be a Pen-man:
5. As After those prophets under the Old Testament whom God raised up, no man dared to assume to himself that Name and Office (I know there were those who were called prophets in the N. Test. but they differed from the Old) or dared to be a Penman:
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so after the Apostles whom Christ himselfe chose, fitted, and authorized to be his Pen-men in the New Testament, let none dare to be so devilish to assume that Office, or Name unto themselves.
so After the Apostles whom christ himself chosen, fitted, and authorized to be his Penmen in the New Testament, let none Dare to be so devilish to assume that Office, or Name unto themselves.
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For the infallible Spirit the Quakers so much prate of, abusing the Ministers because they doe not boast of it, (and Mason in particular, pag: 15. abuseth Mr. Scortrith, and bid his people take heed of him) I shall speak a few words.
For the infallible Spirit the Quakers so much prate of, abusing the Ministers Because they do not boast of it, (and Mason in particular, page: 15. abuseth Mr. Scortrith, and bid his people take heed of him) I shall speak a few words.
1. If the Quakers would have us affirme that all Ministers must have the Spirit in that manner as the Prophets, 1 Pet. 1. v. 11. and Apostles, v. 12. So 2 Pet. 1. ult. then we professedly say, we have it not.
1. If the Quakers would have us affirm that all Ministers must have the Spirit in that manner as the prophets, 1 Pet. 1. v. 11. and Apostles, v. 12. So 2 Pet. 1. ult. then we professedly say, we have it not.
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2. I affirm that Ministers (I mean not every particular man who calls himself a Minister) have that Spirit which is Infallible, to some a Spirit of gifts and grace, to some onely gifts. We pray to the Lord for it,
2. I affirm that Ministers (I mean not every particular man who calls himself a Minister) have that Spirit which is Infallible, to Some a Spirit of Gifts and grace, to Some only Gifts. We pray to the Lord for it,
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3. True Ministers doe by that Spirit from his word, teach to their people the infallible truths of Christ, they build them upon such foundations for doctrine and practise, that not one who follow their preaching shall ever miscarry,
3. True Ministers do by that Spirit from his word, teach to their people the infallible truths of christ, they built them upon such foundations for Doctrine and practice, that not one who follow their preaching shall ever miscarry,
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or is bound to teach us every one in every Iota of truth, so that not in any particular whatever we may mistake, this we doe not affirm, no more than he doth,
or is bound to teach us every one in every Iota of truth, so that not in any particular whatever we may mistake, this we do not affirm, no more than he does,
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Isaac by a prophetical Spirit, and infallible, blessed Iacob, but he mistook in the person whom he blessed, he thought it had been Esau: the infallible Spirit did not guide him there to know Jacob, but he erred as to his owne purpose.
Isaac by a prophetical Spirit, and infallible, blessed Iacob, but he mistook in the person whom he blessed, he Thought it had been Esau: the infallible Spirit did not guide him there to know Jacob, but he erred as to his own purpose.
Then why the Spirit should so teach every Minister that in no point whatever he should mistake (so long as in nothing that concern the salvation of his people) I know not.
Then why the Spirit should so teach every Minister that in no point whatever he should mistake (so long as in nothing that concern the salvation of his people) I know not.
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And now to you who are my people, and have chosen me to be your Officer, having thus opened the wickednesse of this Sect, I exhort you to beware of them:
And now to you who Are my people, and have chosen me to be your Officer, having thus opened the wickedness of this Sect, I exhort you to beware of them:
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for you who are of the weaker sort, I exhort you again, come not neer them so much as to hear them, (since warning is given what they are) but if you will doe it, know assuredly, the Church will proceed against you for so doing, as for any other sinne. FINIS.
for you who Are of the Weaker sort, I exhort you again, come not near them so much as to hear them, (since warning is given what they Are) but if you will do it, know assuredly, the Church will proceed against you for so doing, as for any other sin. FINIS.
Yet the Quakers teach not freely, for at one Towne by me, I hear that one of these Quakers had about five pounds gathered for him, besides his entertainment.
Yet the Quakers teach not freely, for At one Town by me, I hear that one of these Quakers had about five pounds gathered for him, beside his entertainment.
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They doe not say this in so many words, but by consequence; for the persons who are such, and they cannot disprove it, they affirm to be in that condition.
They do not say this in so many words, but by consequence; for the Persons who Are such, and they cannot disprove it, they affirm to be in that condition.
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